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Hungarian prime minister hits back at Biden calling him a 'thug' on 'Tucker' - YouTube
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good evening and welcome to tucker
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carlson tonight
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of the nearly 200 different countries on
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the face of the earth precisely
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one of them has an elected leader who
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publicly identifies as a western-style
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conservative
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his name is victor orban he's the prime
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minister of hungary
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hungary is a small country in the middle
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of central europe it has no navy it has
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no nuclear weapons
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its gdp is smaller than new york states
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so you wouldn't think
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leaders in washington would pay a lot of
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attention to hungary
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but they do obsessively by rejecting the
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tenets of neoliberalism victor orban has
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personally offended them and enraged
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them
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what does victor orban believe just a
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few years ago his views would have
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seemed
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moderate and conventional he thinks
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families are more important than
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banks he believes countries need borders
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for saying these things out loud
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orbon has been vilified left-wing ngos
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have denounced him as a fascist a
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destroyer of democracy
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last fall joe biden suggested he's a
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totalitarian dictator
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official washington despises victor
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orban so
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thoroughly that many including neocons
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in and around the state department are
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backing the open anti-semites who are
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running against him in next april's
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elections in hungary
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we've watched all of this from the
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united states and we've wondered if what
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we've heard
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could be true so this week we came to
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hungary to see for ourselves we sat down
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with orban for a couple of long
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conversations including one this morning
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in a moment we'll show you some of that
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you can make up your own mind about it
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but first a word about hungary even if
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you understand that the american news
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media lie it is always bewildering to
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see the extent of their dishonesty
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nothing prepares you for it
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we've read many times how repressive
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hungary is
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freedom house ngo in washington that's
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funded almost exclusively by the u s
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government
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describes hungary as much less free than
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south africa
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with fewer civil liberties that's not
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just
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wrong it's insane in fact if you live in
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the united states
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it is bitter to see the contrast between
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say budapest
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and new york city let's say you lived in
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a big american city and you decided to
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loudly and publicly attack
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joe biden's policies his policies on
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immigration or
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covet or transgender athletes if you
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kept talking like that you would likely
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be
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silenced by joe biden's allies in
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silicon valley
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if you kept it up you might very well
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have to hire armed bodyguards
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that's common in the u.s ask around but
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it's unknown in hungary opposition
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figures here don't worry that they will
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be
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hurt for their opinions neither by the
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way is the prime minister orban
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regularly drives himself with no
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security
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so who's freer in what country are you
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more likely to
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lose your job for disagreeing with the
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ruling classes orthodoxy
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the answer is pretty obvious though if
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you're an american it is painful to
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admit it as we have discovered
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with that here's victor orban his accent
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is pretty thick but his english is
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precise
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he's worth hearing mr prime minister
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thank you very much
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so in 2015 hundreds of thousands of
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migrants appear on your southern border
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they appear all over europe they stream
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into germany the rest of the eu says
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welcome please come we can handle it
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we're strong enough hungary stands alone
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and saying no
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why why did you take a different
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position on migration from other
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european countries
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that was the only reasonable behavior if
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somebody without getting any
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permission on behalf of the hungarian
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state cross your border
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you have to defend your country and to
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say guys stop
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and if you would like to cross or you
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would like to come there's a legal
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procedure
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we have to do it but you can't cross you
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know without any kind of limitation and
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permission
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and any contribution and control of the
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hungarian state it's dangerous
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you have to defend your people against
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any danger
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and you think you have a right to do
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that of course
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that's cut from the it's coming from the
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god the nature so all arguments
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with us because this is our country this
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is our population this is our history
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this is our language so we have to do
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that of course if you are in trouble
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and there is nobody closer to you than
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the hungarians you have to be helpful
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but you can't say simply that okay it's
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a nice country i would like to come here
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and to live here because it's a nicer
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life
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this is not a human right to come here
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no way because it's our land
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it's a nation it's a community families
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history
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tradition language saying what you just
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said which i think will seem obvious to
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a lot of our viewers was
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very offensive to a lot of
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countries in western europe to their
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leaders because
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because the year many european countries
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decided
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to open a new chapter of their own
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history of the nation
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they call it a new society
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which is a post-christian post-national
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societies they believe
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firmly that if different communities
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even huge number of let's say muslim
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communities
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and the original inhabitant
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let's say christian communities are
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mixed up
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the outcome of this will be good
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there is no answer whether it will be
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good or bad but i think it's very risky
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and the chance that it will be not good
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but it will be very bad
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is obvious and each nation has the right
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to take this risk or to reject this risk
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we hungarians decided not to take that
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risk
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to mix up our society that's the reason
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why they attack hungary
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so harshly and that's the reason why my
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personal reputation is very bad
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you know i'm treated like the black
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sheep of the european union personally
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and sometimes hungary as well
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unfortunately so it has been six years
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since germany since angela merkel made
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the decision to let
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many hundreds of thousands of migrants
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into her country basically millions
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non-german speakers
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mostly muslim what have the effects been
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in germany
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you know diplomacy is uh
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required it requires some val behavior
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but it was their decision they took the
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risk and now they got
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what they have deserved that's their
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life
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i would not like to make any categories
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to describe
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what was the outcome of their decision i
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only insist on that the hungarians has
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the right to
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make our own choice you first became
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famous in the late 80s
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as a student as one of the leaders
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against soviet occupation of hungary
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and you were a hero to many in the
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united states
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and at the time during the cold war we
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paid close attention to hungary i think
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the u.s government was on your side you
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were on the side of the us government so
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30 years later joe biden while running
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for president
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last year on abc news described you
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suggested that you were and i'm quoting
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a totalitarian thug
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you see what's happening in everything
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from belarus to poland to
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to hungary and the rise of totalitarian
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regimes in the world and as well as this
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president embraces
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all the thugs in the world is that
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bewildering for you to see the change
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and how do you respond to that
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characterization
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so first of all the reaction of that
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kind of opinion here in hungary is
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always not very
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polite but you think who is that guy to
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say that then we say okay he is the
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president of united states so we should
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take it seriously
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but anyway somebody who does not speak
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our language
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has a very limited knowledge on hungary
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even in the recent
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uh several decades of our life don't
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understanding us
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obviously having an opinion like that
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you know it's by itself it's a personal
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insight for all the hungarians
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but because he is the president of
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united states we have to be very
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modest we have to be very respectful
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and we have to make a lot of things to
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clarify that what he is doing is rather
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a fake
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we try to do that in a polite way
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because we respect the americans
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we respect the american democracy
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american culture so
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we would not like to destroy our
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relationship because the bilateral
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relationship with the americans is
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basically
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very good we are cooperating well on the
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on the field of defense as nato allies
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economic cooperation is excellent you
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are big investor here
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trade is going very well your
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businessman is
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finding a lot of possibilities here so
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everything is fine
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except the politics when the liberals
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are in government in washington
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that's the problem so we have to manage
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that because the the
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american hungarian good relationship is
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a value even if the americans don't
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perceive today it as it was previously
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so
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we have to save what we can save out of
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it but it's a little strange i don't
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think joe biden has ever referred to xi
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jinping for example who has
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murdered many of his political opponents
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famously uh as a totalitarian thug
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why would he single you and not just you
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by the way the
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the polish government as well the
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problem is the success
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so it's a real challenge for the liberal
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thinkers
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that what is going on in central europe
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poland and in hungary as well
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in hungary more outspoken probably we
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are speaking probably too much anyway
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uh on our intentions so so
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what is going on here is building up a
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society which is very successful
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economically politically culturally even
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in demography we have some success
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family policy so what you can see here
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could be described as a success story
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but the fundamentals of this success as
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totally different
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than it is wished and runned and created
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by the by many other western countries
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so the the western liberals cannot
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accept
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that inside the western civilization
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there is a conservative
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national alternative which is more
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successful
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at everyday life at the level of them
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than the liberal ones that's the reason
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why they criticize us they are fighting
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for themselves not against us
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but we are an example that somebody or a
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country
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which is based on traditional values on
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national identity
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based on uh tradition of christianity
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could be successful or sometimes even
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more successful
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than the leftist liberal government it's
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interesting as an american to see this
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so
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the the american media the bid
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administration the state department is
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opposed to you
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because they say that you're a
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totalitarian thug
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your opponents are a coalition of former
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communists
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and anti-semites is it strange to see
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the american left
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rooting for a coalition that includes
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anti-semites yeah i i
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let's say if you would have asked me
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several years ago
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whether could it happen that the
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ex-communist
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political forces and the anti-semite
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right is forming a coalition and running
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together at the election
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against a pro-israeli and pro-american
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pro-nato western-oriented government as
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we have as we are
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my answer would have been no it's
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impossible but now the international
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communities accept it you know so i
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understand that here in hungary the
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political parties would like to get to
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poverty as soon as they can
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therefore they try to make a broad
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coalition
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against the ruling government okay but
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to be accepted that you know by the
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international community so easily
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i'm surprised i'm surprised especially
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the behavior america is totally
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new new experience for me it does seem
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like hungary is moving in a completely
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different direction
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from the rest of the continent from the
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rest of the western world
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i mean do you think that 20 years from
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now
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that will be an unbridgeable divide i
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mean where does that let's just
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describe how i see it what i see that
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in the central european countries
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the country suffered the most because of
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the soviet occupation
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and communist dictatorship so in these
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countries
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my approach or the hungarian approach is
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very popular
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probably we have a majority in all of of
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that societies
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not only in poland and hungary they are
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more moderate i mean the others are more
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moderate but
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but if you understand what they are
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doing
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what are the fundamentals and their
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motivations is basically belonging to
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the same political family anyway yes
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on the western society there is a lot of
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people
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millions and millions of people who
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disagree
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uh the direction of the policy taken
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at this moment which is against the
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family or not respecting the families
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which is more uh based on migration
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which is more open
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society which is more welfare and so
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once and so on so i don't
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don't say that the political competition
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is over in the western european
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societies
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so i see chances and the key country is
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italy at this moment
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where the fight and the competition is
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very open so i can see
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chances in the western countries also
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that they are able to change their
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policy
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from liberal to conservative or from
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liberal leftists
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to christian democrats the chance is
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there but we are not
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internationally well organized so the
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forthcoming years are really
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exciting i i've noticed in the last few
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nights in budapest i've run into a
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number of americans who have come here
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because they want to be around people
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who agree with them who agree with you
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do you see budapest as
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as a kind of capital of this kind of
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thinking
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the capital of that kind of thinking or
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one of the capitals because the other
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central european countries are also very
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competitive and producing very nice
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ideas and
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uh organizing that kind of communities
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of conservative and
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and christian democrats thinkers as we
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do
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uh we cooperate with that countries so
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that kind of networks are getting closer
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to each other it's getting a real
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more and more real central european
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network
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but not only thinkers uh ordinary
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citizens
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average citizens are moving to central
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european countries
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it's not too uh it's not too
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dynamic at this moment but the signs are
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clear many christian families and
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conservative families who think
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that western europe is not secure enough
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the future is unstable
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uh you know the the public security is
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not provided
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and the ideological direction of the
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countries or the basic values of the
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countries build on is changing not
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to their taste or their intention
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they are looking for other places so if
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you go to the hungarian countryside you
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can find
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west european families who move to
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hungary first to have the second house
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because
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inside european union we have a free
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movement so first to have second house
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and then
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spending more and more time here so we
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can't exclude
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uh the future of the european history
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when
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there will be a new migration from west
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to the east within europe
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the christians and the conservatives try
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to find a better home
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we can't exclude that so up until
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very recently hungary which is a small
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nation 10 million people
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had two big nuclear-armed allies the
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united states and israel you were
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probably netanyahu's closest ally in
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europe you were close to donald trump
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both of them are gone where does that
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where does that leave you we are not
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very much fortunate
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in the recent years because donald trump
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was a great friend of hungary
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he was very much supportive to us not
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just personally but politically also so
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there was a
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good friendship between the two
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countries also
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and you know first america
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america first is a very positive message
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here in central europe
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because it means if for donald trump
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america first
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for us hungary could be first as well
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and let's cooperate on that basis
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right so so that was a very good foreign
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policy very effective
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and we cooperated very well um
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the same with the with vivid netanyahu
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who is a good friend of the hungarians
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and when he was in pablo he always
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invest a lot of energy to have a good
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relation with the central european
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countries
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we respect it very much but he lost also
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so the hungarian conservative christian
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judeo-christian democratic thinking
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lost two major international
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uh supporters and the opponents came
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into power
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so this is a totally new circumstance
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around hungary
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for me as a politician it's a strong
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challenge
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how to handle it you've got an election
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coming up in april
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um are you worried that there will be
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international
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interference in your election in in
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hungary
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that will happen we are not we are not
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worried of that we are prepared for that
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uh obviously the international left will
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do
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everything what they can do probably
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even more uh to change the government
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here in hungary we are aware of that and
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we are prepared for that
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how to take the fight and fight back
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when the president of the united states
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describes you as
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a totalitarian thug very serious thing
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to say about somebody
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i would i would note i mean that
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suggests that you know why wouldn't the
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the biden state department work to
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prevent you from being re-elected
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i think sooner or later the americans we
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realize that issues in hungary must be
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decided by the hungarians and it's
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better even for the leftist
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liberal government in the united states
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to have a good partner which is a
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conservative christian democratic
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supported long term by the people
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hungarian people it's better to have
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that
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than a government which is supported by
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america and take the position but losing
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after several months
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and creating destabilization and
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uncertainty
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so uh a not loved but stable partner is
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better than the uncertain new one that
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i hope the americans will understand it
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no wonder they don't want you to hear
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what he says
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you don't have to watch your country
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collapse you don't have to have leaders
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who
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hate the population or divide their own
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people against each other
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who make the country worse who open the
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borders who
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increase crime who encourage people to
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live on the sidewalk and do drugs
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if there's any lesson of talking to
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victor orban maybe it's that the
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conversation went on for quite some time
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one thing we learned man of the efforts
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to
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unseat him intense and stealthy we'll
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have a lot more on that
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