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Wait 'til you see the Bent Motherboard... - Streacom DB1 Max - YouTube
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okay i'm just playing he may have
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mistaken it for an external hard drive
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or maybe a thunderbolt dock but no
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this is actually a powerful pc
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given the size of course now most small
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form factor pcs are sized to be built
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around a cpu cooler but streetcom said
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screw it
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let's just make the entire case the
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cooler
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that's right this is a completely
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fanless case
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at this size
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question is
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did the fancy engineering that they had
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to put into this puny passive powerhouse
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make it a complete nightmare to work
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the streacom db1 max looks exactly like
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its sister case the explicitly non-max
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db1 but
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there's one big difference the max
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variant uses not one
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but both sides of the chassis as heat
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sinks for the cpu or really apu is
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there's no standalone graphics card here
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nor space for one that increases the
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total heat dissipation of the fanless
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design from 45 watts up to 65
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but it creates an interesting problem
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getting heat from the apu to the left
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panel slash heatsink is straightforward
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enough endeavor a couple of these
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u-shaped heat pipes a bunch of thermal
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compound and another heatsink to spread
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the load but how do you do that for
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heatsink that's located on the
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opposite side
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of the case
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you know around the back of the
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motherboard well that's where some
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clever engineering comes in
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these u-shaped heat pipes
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bend around to the back of the
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motherboard and contact the right side
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plates as well now before we get to what
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is surely the most finicky cooler
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install ever there are some concessions
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that need to be made to get a fanless pc
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under six liters of volume that promises
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some serious gaming chops and it starts
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with the motherboard asrock's x300 tm
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itx this isn't a uh run-of-the-mill itx
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board no this is thin mini icx it's the
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same footprint as itx but adds a 2.5
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centimeter i o shield height restriction
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if you stare at it long enough you can
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start to see how the design differs
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there's no fitting desktop ram in this
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thing so sodium laptop memory sticks are
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used instead we have a couple of these
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here and uh
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where
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is the usual atx power input there isn't
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one this board is powered from 12 volt
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via a little four pin up here or
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with a
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quick jumper swap like so
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you can feed it 19 volts via a barrel
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plug on an external power supply like
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we'll be doing here we have
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this boy here
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what makes this build actually work is
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the small wonder that is amd's ryzen 7
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5700g apu the rated tdp for this thing
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is 65 watts which is
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actually precisely what this case is
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rated for too
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even though tdp isn't really a useful
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number these days as chips can boost for
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as long as they want as long as there's
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headroom it flaunts eight cores and 16
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threads that can boost up to 4.6
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gigahertz and there's eight cores of
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radeon gpu baked inside that should give
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us ample gaming performance but we'll
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see that once we get this whole shebang
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together let's go over what we have here
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so we've already talked about the cpu
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this is the motherboard itself we went
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over a little bit but let's let's take a
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look at the
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more
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typical components of it right here
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we've got three usb 3.2 gen one type a
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ports and a gen one type c port
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we've got
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audio in and out it's pretty standard
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it's nothing special a serial port it's
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kind of interesting i appreciate it but
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yeah it's whatever we've got two hdmi
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2.0 ports but only one of these is going
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to be accessible because one of them's
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on the other side check that out that's
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i don't think i've seen that before
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that's thin mini itx for you i think i
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would have given up that serial port for
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uh two hdmis but that's just me uh let's
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see two soda imports these are gonna be
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used for our crucial ddr4 3200 kit these
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are about as fast as we can reasonably
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expect out of sodim's i think
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i
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took a quick look around and i couldn't
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find anything faster
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unfortunately that's just kind of what
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you have to live with on a
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low profile system like this but you
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also get two m.2 slots one is a 2230 for
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your wi-fi or a very small form factor
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1.2 ssd and you've got a full-size m.2
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ssd port up here as well the ssd we're
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going to be popping in here is a crucial
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p5 we're just going to be using collins
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bench drive to speed things up you
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probably want to have something a little
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bit bigger and or faster
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depending on what your use case is i
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think this is just a 512 gig
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this is all you get and um
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yeah that's all the components i guess
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it's not going to be a very complicated
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build at least not as far as component
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density goes that i guess leads us to
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the fun bit it's time to put it all
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together
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installing the cpu is pretty easy but
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you're going to want to pay attention to
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the little golden triangle here to
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tell you where to put it because this is
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a very weird orientation for this socket
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but if you orient it just right it
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should slip right on down there
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and you're good to go now the ram is a
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little different than you might be used
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to i'm not sure how many of you might
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have
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installed sodium before but basically
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you got to get it
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in underneath these
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clips
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because they're in the way
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there we go
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aligned up with the notch
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slide it in then push it down until you
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hear a click ssd is the same as any
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other ssd you might install an m.2
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socket now you just align the ssd with
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this notch here and then
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screw in
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the screw you don't want it too tight
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you just want it to hold down
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these screws are very easy to share off
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if you tighten them too much okay and
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that's it for the build yeah that's it
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bill's done
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um you know we could run the system like
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this actually
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it wouldn't run very well it might shut
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off but you know we could do it let's
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get in the case i mean i was kind of
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hoping we didn't have to do that but
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that's what the video is about so yeah
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okay let's get into the case what am i
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looking at here this
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obviously is going to mate somehow
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this is what looks like the motherboard
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tray well clearly i need to read the
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instructions at this point so give me
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one moment okay so i need to install the
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cooler first which i think is in this
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box here
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that that looks for all the world like
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uh like a water block almost except no
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it's not the heat pipes slide into this
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thing so
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it's not like
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putting anything in here
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like water or air or anything the heat
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pipes just kind of live here the lengths
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to which people will go
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for a small pc am i right am i supposed
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to be using thermal compound for this
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yes oh this is gonna be miserable yes
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just came back from vacation and this is
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what i'm doing
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all right let's get some thermal
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compound on that cpu and get this uh
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copper shim on it apparently that's what
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we need to do there's not a lot of
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thermal compound in one of these it's
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enough the cpu though but i already got
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some of my fingers because of this
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application method
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so i'm wasting a whole bunch of it do we
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have oh man i've got it all over me
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already this is just one packet i need
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so many of these this here shim just
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goes on like that i guess
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it just
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lives there so how much do you think
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this case costs
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uh
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i want to say 300 dollars
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that's that's way high
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high would you believe me if i said it
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was
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125 us dollars really no i wouldn't
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because you're getting the cooler and
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you're getting the case
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and it's like all these different parts
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i mean it's miserable to build but like
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that's that's less than i thought it
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would be oh i got a thermal compound
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everywhere now but as part of the
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adventure
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we're gonna be here a while yep please
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better instructions
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if you're going to save money on
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assembly costs the bet the least you
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could do is
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you know make it very clear what goes
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where and there's your cooler
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presumably
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oh god how am i supposed to
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do do you need assistance
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this is oh
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are you having fun yet anthony have a
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blast
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wait how am i supposed to
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i think you should only go till
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this group protrudes through the net
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whatever i do it needs to be even
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ish oh god the board is bending like
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real bad actually not bad oh
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i'm like oh okay so we got these spring
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screws so they'll stop you know they'll
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stop when they need to no
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instructions unclear motherboard taco
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this is my favorite build ever i feel
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like i'm not making any progress on this
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build just like everything i do is like
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just a drop in the bucket you know i'd
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say you're solid like
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65 of the way to
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turning it on well you didn't have to
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crush my spirits like that would it help
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if i said that you're more like 69 of
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the way there nice it's done i hope i
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actually put that jumper to 19 volts
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let's give it a shot
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yeah it's heating up 36 37
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is it actually gonna boot though it
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booted
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it booted
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isn't it amazing that we needed a
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thermal camera
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just to know whether the computer was on
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or not
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that's pretty great like you press the
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button and literally nothing happens
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okay t die is
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48 47 okay it's going down uh let's hit
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it with uh what should we hit it with
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it doesn't like that
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but the cpu temperatures
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still seem pretty good
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the motherboard says that it's at 115
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degrees i don't believe that for a
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second that's a false
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reading gpu temperature says that it's
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at 38. it looks like 10 fps
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uh it is
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seven but of course this is like
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4k
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i could probably stress it a little
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harder if i went for the lower
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resolution
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this is mostly stressing the memory at
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the moment
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uh let's hit it with prime95 let's just
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burn it gpu temperature is at 58 cpu
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temperature is currently at
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61.
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yeah now it's thermal throttling what's
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going on
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so the motherboard is currently thermal
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throttling us pretty hard look at that
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all that work
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and here we are getting thermal
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throttled
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obviously people aren't going to be
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running prime95 all day
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but this is a little disappointing
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considering that the
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chassis itself is fully capable like
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this is not even hitting anywhere close
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to a high temperature it's in the 60s
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the chassis is more than capable of
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taking this amount of heat and yet
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we're thermal throttle based on the
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motherboard
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the vrms are just
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burning up we went and grabbed an 80
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millimeter noctua fan to kind of point
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into the case
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and uh
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see if that makes a difference and sure
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enough it does
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so you can see the exact moment that we
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put the fan on it it's like kind of like
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stopped thermal thermal throttling why
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is the motherboard at over 100 degrees
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because the vrms have no cooler
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that's what the problem is
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the vrms don't even have a passive heat
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sink so they're not getting any cooling
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whatsoever there's no airflow inside the
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case the only reason we're getting
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anything out of this is because we're
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putting air over the vrms
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but the thing that gets me is that
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streetcom sent this board
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they sent this specific board yes like
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it's possible that there's a an issue
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with the sensor uh
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possible that talk going could have done
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something
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that that is possible yeah i'm not above
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saying that i broke it do you want to
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like break
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contact street com and be like hey have
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you guys seen this happening
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i can do that
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all right here's the situation the
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asrock x300 tm itx motherboard we
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installed this guy right here gave us
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some weird performance under synthetic
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loads the board was throttling far
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before the case was even being pushed
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close to its limit so
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we pulled it all apart slapped a knock
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to a u12s onto it and lo and behold yup
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those vrm's are toasty over a hundred
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130 degrees
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our goal is to test the case here and
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with it throttling this way we were
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unable to do so
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to rectify that we called our friends at
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asus and snagged well
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one of these an asus pro h410t
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and equipped it with an intel core i5
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10400. it's spec to the same tdp 65
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watts and it doesn't cook the vrm's
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nearly as much as the asrock board let's
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give it a go in blender so starting off
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cp temperature temperatures going up to
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about 70.
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we'll see how high they go though
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because this is entirely passive
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remember so there's
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there's nothing to kick in and once it
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hits the thermal soak it's just going to
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keep getting hotter until it throttles
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that's the idea anyway we're at 100
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degrees on all the cores now
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and it is in fact thermal throttling
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it's getting kind of toasty now
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it actually it actually does feel warm
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warmer on this side than this side
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though
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that's interesting all right let's see
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how toasty this thing is actually
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getting so on this side that i said was
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a little bit cooler
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it's about 39 maybe 40 degrees in the
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hot spot there
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yeah roughly 40 degrees if you move
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around to the other side
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yeah like 43 degrees how about that i
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was right what are we looking at right
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now looks like we've dropped down to 3.6
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gigahertz still at 100 degrees celsius
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what's the power draw right now
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57 so
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it's not looking good for the 65 watt
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claims that streetcom made here
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we are looking at a 43 degree hotspot
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back here
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so it's risen by three degrees at least
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since the last time i looked at it
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oh wow the heat
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i can feel the heat coming up off of it
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it's pretty amazing actually and like
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here's my hand i don't know if i can
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yeah you can kind of see it it's kind of
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glowing off my hand on the bottom there
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it's such a cool concept you know it's
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just there needs to be a little bit more
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efficiency in the thermal conduit like
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the contacts you know like you've got
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heat pipes you're putting in with
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thermal compound
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like that's not going to be as good as a
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soldered heat pipe into a aluminum block
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and unfortunately that seems to be what
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we're seeing here like obviously this is
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heating up and it's transferring heat
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pretty well
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but not well enough we went from 65
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watts at peak i think
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to 53 52 watts towards the end of the
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run there and now we're sitting at 4
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watts idle so unfortunately i mean it
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worked
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you could run it this way
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but i wouldn't recommend it it's 100
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degrees the downside to running the cpu
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like this is that it's an intel cpu with
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an intel igpu and the gaming performance
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is
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frankly crap compared to the ryzen 7
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5700g we saw about 55 fps in rocket
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league at 1080p with everything turned
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to performance settings if asrock pushes
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the bios to fix the issue on this
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motherboard that would be perfect amd's
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igpu performance makes for a much better
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gaming experience but given that there
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are no other em4 thin itx boards out
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there
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and we don't even know if a bios update
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can fix this issue
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we're hooped so
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where does that leave us
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we're a bit disappointed that the amd
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setup throttles so badly but it does
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game well in a normal use case and a
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build like this isn't meant to be a
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render farm if we were to temper our
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expectations around running full bore
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then sure this is a cool little case but
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honestly the limited options for thin
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itx compounded by the difficult assembly
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makes this build not something i can
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suggest
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thanks for watching guys this thing
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isn't
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so amazing but if you want to check out
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something else that's a little bit on
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the weirder side maybe check out the
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video we did on the streetcom d82 back
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in the
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ultimate compact pc video we did in 2019
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it's
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a lot more fun i assure you
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