Why Recessions May Be Inevitable - YouTube

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The fear of recession is mounting in the United
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States.
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Where do you peg the probability of a recession?
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Right now? Let's say by year end, I'd say about 50/50.
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It's pretty close.
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In June 2022, the World Bank slashed its global growth
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forecast to 2.9%, warning that several countries could
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fall into recession.
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I think there's a lot of fear just around how it's
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going to play out, how long it's going to be, and how
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deep it's going to be.
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And it hurts a lot of people.
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I think the pain tends to be kind of concentrated in
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the victims of the recession. But none of us
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can be completely sure that we or our families are not
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going to be among those victims.
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Recessions also often impact the valuation of other asset
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classes, like the value of your house or the value of
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your car.
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And last but not least, it's that really most
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important one, that increase in the unemployment
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rate, where people really fear that they could lose a
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job and thus lose income.
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I do believe recessions are really inevitable.
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I believe that the economic cycle exists.
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But some believe that this isn't all bad news.
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Some investors, they look at recessions as opportunities.
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This is an opportunity to buy this asset that's now on
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sale and now it's at fair value.
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I think it's really important to just understand
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the mechanics because I think when you do, knowledge
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is power, information is power, and then you can
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start to be able to seize the moment.
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So why do recessions happen and are they an inevitable
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part of the American economy?
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The National Bureau of Economic Research defines a
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recession as a significant decline in economic activity
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that's spread across the economy and lasts more than
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a few months. It's been synonymous with major
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economic pain felt by businesses and consumers
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alike. The Congressional Research Service cites three
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main causes of a recession.
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The first is an overheated economy.
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When economists talk about the economy overheating,
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they mean that demand in the economy is growing
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faster than the ability of the supply side of the
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economy to satisfy it.
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And that can be because we just can't produce enough
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stuff, or it can be because we don't have enough
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workers.
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A hot spike in inflation alongside a dip in the
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unemployment rate could signal that the economy may
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be overheating. Every recession but one since
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World War II has seen an inflation hike right before
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the start of the downturn.
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And nearly every recession since World War II saw the
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unemployment rate fall to 5% or lower.
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When unemployment gets really low, it means that
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there's not really very many available workers for
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firms to hire.
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And if firms can't find workers to hire, then they
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have to start bidding up wages. As they start paying
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people more, people have more income with which to
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buy goods and services.
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More income buying goods and services tends to push
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up the prices of goods and services. So you get a
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positive feedback between wages moving higher, pushes
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prices higher, pushes wages higher, pushes prices
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higher. And if the Federal Reserve didn't intervene by
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inducing a recession and raising interest rates, that
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spiral would get stronger and stronger and stronger.
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And eventually you'd have inflation running away and
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really getting out of control.
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Asset bubbles can be another direct cause.
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The recession of 2001 was primarily caused by the
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dot-com bubble burst of 2000, while the Great
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Recession occurred just after the crash of the
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housing market.
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Asset prices, whether they're stock prices or
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house prices, go up a lot, and they exceed the
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fundamentals, and then suddenly they come down
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abruptly. That has a big negative effect on the
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economy, particularly if people have borrowed to buy
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those assets.
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When that happens, people find out that they're not as
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wealthy as they thought that they were.
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And when you find out that you're not as wealthy as you
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thought that you were, you cut back on your spending.
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And as you cut back on your spending, that decreases
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demand in the economy, and it slows the economy down,
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and then enough of it can cause a recession.
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In other times, recessions are caused by unpredictable
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events that lead to severe disruptions.
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Economists call these events black swans.
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These are the things that, unfortunately, we cannot
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manage. You cannot control geopolitical events.
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You cannot control COVID-19.
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But when they do happen, usually they're fast and
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furious and have an immediate impact.
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And that's what drove us into a very quick recession
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throughout COVID and others that we've seen through the
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course of time.
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The U.S. has experienced at least 30 recessions
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throughout history, dating back as early as 1857.
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They may have become an inevitable part of the
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economic cycle that fluctuates between periods
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of expansion and contraction.
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History teaches us that recessions are inevitable.
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I do think recessions are part of our business cycle.
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Do I believe that they're completely inevitable in a
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capitalistic society?
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Partly. There's so many events and external factors
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that contribute to recessions, such as supply
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shocks, demand shocks, geopolitical issues that
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come about.
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It's part of human psychology to get too
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excited about things. And when you get too excited
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about things, you ultimately have asset
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bubbles and those ultimately lead to
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recessions. It's also part of human nature that people
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will continue expanding their firms and businesses
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as long as the economy is good.
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And as long as that keeps happening, you'll eventually
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overheat, which eventually will lead to a recession.
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Nonetheless, certain measures can be taken to
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make recessions less likely .
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As the nation's authority on monetary policies, the
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Federal Reserve plays a critical role in managing
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recessions.
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With the right monetary policies, the Fed can
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prevent a recession.
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It's just very difficult to do so.
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There are two things that the Fed can do to avoid a
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recession. One is to steer the economy so we don't get
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so much inflation that they have to slam on the brakes.
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The second is to pay close attention to the financial
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system so we don't have a repeat like the 2007, 2008
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and 2009 recession, which was caused by too much
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lending, too many mortgages, and too much
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careless securitization on the part of Wall Street.
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The Fed has often attempted to avoid a recession by
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engineering what's known as a soft landing.
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This is where precise interest rate hikes are used
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to curb inflation without pushing the economy into
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recession. But a successful soft landing is extremely
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rare, arguably achieved just once, in 1994.
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So what they're trying to do is raise rates enough so
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demand slows.
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So it's really a tough needle that they're trying
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to thread to get our economy in equilibrium.
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Now the question is, is there an amount of pressure
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that they can apply onto the breaks that's enough to
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control inflation, but not enough to crash the economy
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? And the truth is that that's really, really
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difficult to get into that really, really narrow zone.
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It's the difference between trying to land an airplane
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in a really wide, spacious, open field versus trying to
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land an airplane on a very, very narrow piece of land
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with rocks and water on either side.
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Some experts argue that policies have a clear
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limitation on what they can achieve against an impending
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downturn.
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Policy tends to operate with long lags.
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I also think that increasingly we live in a
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global economy where the cross-currents that are
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impacting the economic dynamics are very complex.
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These are dynamics that the Fed doesn't have tools to
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address. And so, you know, to a certain extent, we do
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think that policymakers have certainly developed
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more tools to fight recessions, but we don't
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think that you can rely on policymakers to prevent
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recessions.
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There are several early signs of recession that
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investors look out for.
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One tool that's commonly cited is the yield curve,
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right? The yield curve inversion.
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When the yield curve tends to invert, it means that
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people expect that the bond market expects interest
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rates to be higher in the short term than it does in
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the long term. That's because the Federal Reserve
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hikes rates to control inflation, and then after
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inflation is controlled, it cuts interest rates back
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down. So if you see that the market expects high
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interest rates in the short term and low interest rates
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in the long term, that's indicative that a recession
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is coming, followed by an interest rate cutting cycle.
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A lot of people look at some of the manufacturing indices
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like the ISM Manufacturing Index.
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When it tends to be above 50, that means that the
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economy is expanding.
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But when the ISM starts decelerating and approaches
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50, a lot of people say, okay, the manufacturing side
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of the economy is going to contract, that that could be
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a recession indicator.
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The third recession indicator that a lot of
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people look at is consumer confidence and suggest that,
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well, if consumer sentiment and consumer confidence goes
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negative, that means consumers are going to pull
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in, take the credit cards away, and not spend.
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And that could cause a contraction in the economy.
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A diverse portfolio can often provide the best
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defense.
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Diversify your holdings of assets to make sure that
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you're including not only growth stocks, but more
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value stocks and more defensive stocks.
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Like health care, like the utilities market.
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These are the companies that could manage through
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this process a little more effectively than some of the
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hypergrowth firms that are leveraging the credit market
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more so than a company with a ton of free cash flow and
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really strong balance sheets. And that's why I
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think there can be some value in recessions, not too
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deep and not too long, but in scenarios where we are
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overheating, assets have gotten way out of whack, and
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we need to get to a point where they get back to fair
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value.
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It also creates opportunities to be a stock
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picker. It's very hard to buy stocks in a bull market,
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but very often recessions and the bear markets that
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come with it create brief opportunities to really
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reload your portfolio, to buy the stocks that you've
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wanted to own, essentially at sale prices.
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But whether recessions are actually good for the
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economy remains widely debated.
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Look, recessions are very healthy things for the
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economy because ultimately recessions flush out
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excesses. So you think about it, when we have a
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recession, it reduces whatever extreme bubbles may
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have built up.
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I think that's ridiculous.
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This notion that somehow we need to cleanse the system
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and the recession is a cleansing thing.
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It's like saying everybody should have a heart attack
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once in a while because it'll make them eat better
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and exercise more.
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It's just not true.
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You know, recessions cause job loss and every job loss
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is enormously unfortunate.
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Becoming unemployed has enormously disrupted
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people's lives. It causes enormous pain for families,
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for households, for communities.
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It's terrible.
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For Americans, understanding how recession works can best
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help them prepare for whatever may lie ahead.
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Understanding the dynamics of a recession allows you to
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potentially be more opportunistic and protective
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of your wealth should these downturns happen.
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Knowing that it may be coming can help you think
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through decisions about: Do you want to buy a house or
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do you want to rent?
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Do you want to take a new job or do you want to maybe
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wait because because the job market may soften up?
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These are all things that, if you possess the knowledge
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of the business cycle, can help you manage your
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financial life in a much better way.