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The fear of recession is
mounting in the United
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States.
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Where do you peg the
probability of a recession?
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Right now? Let's say by year
end, I'd say about 50/50.
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It's pretty close.
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In June 2022, the World Bank
slashed its global growth
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forecast to 2.9%, warning
that several countries could
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fall into recession.
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I think there's a lot of
fear just around how it's
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going to play out, how long
it's going to be, and how
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deep it's going to be.
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And it hurts a lot of
people.
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I think the pain tends to
be kind of concentrated in
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the victims of the
recession. But none of us
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can be completely sure that
we or our families are not
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going to be among those
victims.
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Recessions also often impact
the valuation of other asset
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classes, like the value of
your house or the value of
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your car.
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And last but not least,
it's that really most
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important one, that
increase in the unemployment
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rate, where people really
fear that they could lose a
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job and thus lose income.
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I do believe recessions are
really inevitable.
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I believe that the economic
cycle exists.
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But some believe that this
isn't all bad news.
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Some investors, they look at
recessions as opportunities.
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This is an opportunity to
buy this asset that's now on
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sale and now it's at fair
value.
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I think it's really
important to just understand
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the mechanics because I
think when you do, knowledge
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is power, information is
power, and then you can
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start to be able to seize
the moment.
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So why do recessions happen
and are they an inevitable
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part of the American
economy?
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The National Bureau of
Economic Research defines a
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recession as a significant
decline in economic activity
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that's spread across the
economy and lasts more than
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a few months. It's been
synonymous with major
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economic pain felt by
businesses and consumers
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alike. The Congressional
Research Service cites three
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main causes of a recession.
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The first is an overheated
economy.
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When economists talk about
the economy overheating,
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they mean that demand in
the economy is growing
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faster than the ability of
the supply side of the
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economy to satisfy it.
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And that can be because we
just can't produce enough
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stuff, or it can be because
we don't have enough
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workers.
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A hot spike in inflation
alongside a dip in the
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unemployment rate could
signal that the economy may
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be overheating. Every
recession but one since
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World War II has seen an
inflation hike right before
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the start of the downturn.
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And nearly every recession
since World War II saw the
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unemployment rate fall to
5% or lower.
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When unemployment gets
really low, it means that
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there's not really very
many available workers for
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firms to hire.
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And if firms can't find
workers to hire, then they
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have to start bidding up
wages. As they start paying
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people more, people have
more income with which to
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buy goods and services.
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More income buying goods
and services tends to push
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up the prices of goods and
services. So you get a
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positive feedback between
wages moving higher, pushes
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prices higher, pushes wages
higher, pushes prices
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higher. And if the Federal
Reserve didn't intervene by
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inducing a recession and
raising interest rates, that
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spiral would get stronger
and stronger and stronger.
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And eventually you'd have
inflation running away and
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really getting out of
control.
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Asset bubbles can be another
direct cause.
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The recession of 2001 was
primarily caused by the
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dot-com bubble burst of
2000, while the Great
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Recession occurred just
after the crash of the
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housing market.
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Asset prices, whether
they're stock prices or
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house prices, go up a lot,
and they exceed the
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fundamentals, and then
suddenly they come down
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abruptly. That has a big
negative effect on the
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economy, particularly if
people have borrowed to buy
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those assets.
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When that happens, people
find out that they're not as
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wealthy as they thought
that they were.
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And when you find out that
you're not as wealthy as you
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thought that you were, you
cut back on your spending.
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And as you cut back on your
spending, that decreases
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demand in the economy, and
it slows the economy down,
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and then enough of it can
cause a recession.
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In other times, recessions
are caused by unpredictable
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events that lead to severe
disruptions.
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Economists call these
events black swans.
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These are the things that,
unfortunately, we cannot
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manage. You cannot control
geopolitical events.
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You cannot control
COVID-19.
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But when they do happen,
usually they're fast and
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furious and have an
immediate impact.
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And that's what drove us
into a very quick recession
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throughout COVID and others
that we've seen through the
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course of time.
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The U.S. has experienced at
least 30 recessions
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throughout history, dating
back as early as 1857.
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They may have become an
inevitable part of the
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economic cycle that
fluctuates between periods
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of expansion and
contraction.
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History teaches us that
recessions are inevitable.
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I do think recessions are
part of our business cycle.
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Do I believe that they're
completely inevitable in a
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capitalistic society?
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Partly. There's so many
events and external factors
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that contribute to
recessions, such as supply
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shocks, demand shocks,
geopolitical issues that
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come about.
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It's part of human
psychology to get too
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excited about things. And
when you get too excited
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about things, you
ultimately have asset
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bubbles and those
ultimately lead to
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recessions. It's also part
of human nature that people
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will continue expanding
their firms and businesses
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as long as the economy is
good.
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And as long as that keeps
happening, you'll eventually
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overheat, which eventually
will lead to a recession.
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Nonetheless, certain
measures can be taken to
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make recessions less likely
.
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As the nation's authority on
monetary policies, the
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Federal Reserve plays a
critical role in managing
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recessions.
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With the right monetary
policies, the Fed can
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prevent a recession.
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It's just very difficult to
do so.
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There are two things that
the Fed can do to avoid a
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recession. One is to steer
the economy so we don't get
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so much inflation that they
have to slam on the brakes.
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The second is to pay close
attention to the financial
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system so we don't have a
repeat like the 2007, 2008
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and 2009 recession, which
was caused by too much
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lending, too many
mortgages, and too much
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careless securitization on
the part of Wall Street.
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The Fed has often attempted
to avoid a recession by
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engineering what's known as
a soft landing.
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This is where precise
interest rate hikes are used
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to curb inflation without
pushing the economy into
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recession. But a successful
soft landing is extremely
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rare, arguably achieved
just once, in 1994.
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So what they're trying to do
is raise rates enough so
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demand slows.
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So it's really a tough
needle that they're trying
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to thread to get our
economy in equilibrium.
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Now the question is, is
there an amount of pressure
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that they can apply onto
the breaks that's enough to
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control inflation, but not
enough to crash the economy
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? And the truth is that
that's really, really
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difficult to get into that
really, really narrow zone.
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It's the difference between
trying to land an airplane
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in a really wide, spacious,
open field versus trying to
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land an airplane on a very,
very narrow piece of land
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with rocks and water on
either side.
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Some experts argue that
policies have a clear
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limitation on what they can
achieve against an impending
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downturn.
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Policy tends to operate with
long lags.
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I also think that
increasingly we live in a
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global economy where the
cross-currents that are
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impacting the economic
dynamics are very complex.
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These are dynamics that the
Fed doesn't have tools to
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address. And so, you know,
to a certain extent, we do
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think that policymakers
have certainly developed
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more tools to fight
recessions, but we don't
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think that you can rely on
policymakers to prevent
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recessions.
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There are several early
signs of recession that
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investors look out for.
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One tool that's commonly
cited is the yield curve,
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right? The yield curve
inversion.
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When the yield curve tends
to invert, it means that
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people expect that the bond
market expects interest
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rates to be higher in the
short term than it does in
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the long term. That's
because the Federal Reserve
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hikes rates to control
inflation, and then after
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inflation is controlled, it
cuts interest rates back
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down. So if you see that
the market expects high
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interest rates in the short
term and low interest rates
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in the long term, that's
indicative that a recession
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is coming, followed by an
interest rate cutting cycle.
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A lot of people look at some
of the manufacturing indices
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like the ISM Manufacturing
Index.
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When it tends to be above
50, that means that the
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economy is expanding.
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But when the ISM starts
decelerating and approaches
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50, a lot of people say,
okay, the manufacturing side
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of the economy is going to
contract, that that could be
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a recession indicator.
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The third recession
indicator that a lot of
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people look at is consumer
confidence and suggest that,
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well, if consumer sentiment
and consumer confidence goes
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negative, that means
consumers are going to pull
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in, take the credit cards
away, and not spend.
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And that could cause a
contraction in the economy.
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A diverse portfolio can
often provide the best
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defense.
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Diversify your holdings of
assets to make sure that
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you're including not only
growth stocks, but more
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value stocks and more
defensive stocks.
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Like health care, like the
utilities market.
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These are the companies
that could manage through
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this process a little more
effectively than some of the
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hypergrowth firms that are
leveraging the credit market
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more so than a company with
a ton of free cash flow and
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really strong balance
sheets. And that's why I
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think there can be some
value in recessions, not too
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deep and not too long, but
in scenarios where we are
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overheating, assets have
gotten way out of whack, and
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we need to get to a point
where they get back to fair
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value.
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It also creates
opportunities to be a stock
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picker. It's very hard to
buy stocks in a bull market,
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but very often recessions
and the bear markets that
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come with it create brief
opportunities to really
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reload your portfolio, to
buy the stocks that you've
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wanted to own, essentially
at sale prices.
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But whether recessions are
actually good for the
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economy remains widely
debated.
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Look, recessions are very
healthy things for the
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economy because ultimately
recessions flush out
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excesses. So you think
about it, when we have a
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recession, it reduces
whatever extreme bubbles may
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have built up.
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I think that's ridiculous.
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This notion that somehow we
need to cleanse the system
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and the recession is a
cleansing thing.
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It's like saying everybody
should have a heart attack
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once in a while because
it'll make them eat better
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and exercise more.
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It's just not true.
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You know, recessions cause
job loss and every job loss
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is enormously unfortunate.
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Becoming unemployed has
enormously disrupted
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people's lives. It causes
enormous pain for families,
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for households, for
communities.
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It's terrible.
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For Americans, understanding
how recession works can best
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help them prepare for
whatever may lie ahead.
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Understanding the dynamics
of a recession allows you to
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potentially be more
opportunistic and protective
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of your wealth should these
downturns happen.
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Knowing that it may be
coming can help you think
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through decisions about: Do
you want to buy a house or
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do you want to rent?
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Do you want to take a new
job or do you want to maybe
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wait because because the
job market may soften up?
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These are all things that,
if you possess the knowledge
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of the business cycle, can
help you manage your
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financial life in a much
better way.
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