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this is the wall street journal tonight
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matching reporting in the new york times
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from last night and further advancing
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the story
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about what those search warrants
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executed at the home and office of rudy
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giuliani this week
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were reportedly focused on wall street
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journal matching the new york times
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reporting that they were focused at
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least in significant part
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on this u.s official marie ivanovic
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career foreign service officer widely
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respected seen as a fierce
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anti-corruption advocate
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she was serving as u.s ambassador in
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ukraine she was fired by the trump
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administration
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after a relentless campaign by mr
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giuliani and his clown car of associates
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to try to get her fired the story that
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is
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emerging that seems to be at the heart
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of the criminal case against mr giuliani
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if the contours of the search warrants
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are any guide
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is basically that while trump was
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president
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and mr giuliani was working as his
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lawyer he marketed himself
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abroad he marketed himself to various
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corrupt pauls and oligarchs in ukraine
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advertising in effect that as president
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trump's lawyer somebody with president
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trump's ear
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he could deliver u.s government action
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he could in fact deliver something that
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corrupt pauls and oligarchs in ukraine
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would very much like
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he could arrange to get rid of marie
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ivanovic this u.s ambassador
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who was known to be a fierce warrior
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against corruption
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the ongoing question and the interesting
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question in terms of mr giuliani's legal
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liability here is
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whether he was essentially selling that
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to these various guys
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in ukraine for something in return
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i mean he'd get rid of the
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anti-corruption us ambassador she was
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always in the way of all these things
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these guys wanted to do but in exchange
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these various
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dudes who wanted that in ukraine had a
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sort of menu of things they could pay
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they could hire or pay rudy and company
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including other american lawyers and
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rudy associates who all fit into the
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clown car with him
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they could pay they could you know hire
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or direct money toward bring on as a
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consultant
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rudy and his associates and
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these ukrainians got ukrainian guys who
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wanted the us
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ambassador ousted could also in effect
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pay by delivering to mr giuliani
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anti-joe biden political ammunition from
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ukraine
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to benefit the trump re-election
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campaign now in the case of one
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particular oligarch the story told by
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lev parnus
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one of mr giuliani's associates who
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worked with him on the scheme who's now
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under indictment by the southern
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district of new york
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in the case of one particular ukrainian
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oligarch whose name has surfaced in a
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lot of these recent reports this week
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since giuliani's home in office were
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raided
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in the case of this one oligarch the
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deal is a little different this was an
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oligarch named dmitry fertash who
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himself
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is under u.s indictment on multiple
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felony corruption charges the us justice
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department has for years been trying to
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extradite him
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to the u.s to face trial on these
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multiple felonies
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and love pardons is telling the deal
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offered to mr fertash was that in
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exchange for helping
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generate anti-joe biden political
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ammunition to be used in the 2020
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election to benefit donald trump
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his reward would be help with william
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barr
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and the justice department under donald
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trump to
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help keep him from being extradited to
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the united states
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to further delay or indeed derail his us
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prosecution
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if that was the offered quid pro quo
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that creates all sorts of interesting
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implications um both for mr giuliani in
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terms of what he was offering what he
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and his associates were sort of selling
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to these guys in ukraine
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but also what they said they could
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deliver in exchange
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if they can deliver action by the u.s
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justice department or lack of action by
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the u.s justice department
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then people inside the u.s justice
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department who are willing to effectuate
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that for them
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on as part of this scheme well
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maybe they're going to be in the
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crosshairs here too
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everybody involved here for mr giuliani
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and mr fertash on down everybody
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involved denies every imaginable kind of
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wrongdoing in this story suffice to say
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but the fact remains that some of these
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deliverables were delivered
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u.s ambassador marie ivanovic was in
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fact fired
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as a result of this smear campaign
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run against her by rudy giuliani and his
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cast of characters
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she was fired by mike pompeo mr pompeo
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would you like to talk about your role
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in in effectuating that deliverable as
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part of this scheme
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i mean the indicted oligarch dimitri
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fertash
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he did in fact have his case brought to
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the u.s justice department at the
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highest levels for what appears to have
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been a sympathetic hearing and in fact
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mr fertash
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still hasn't been extradited to the
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united states to face trial on those
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multiple now long-standing felony
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corruption charges
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and in terms of deliverables well mr
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giuliani did drag home
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a whole bunch of ginned up fake
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allegations against joe biden and his
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family that were designed to hurt him in
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the election
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interestingly and i think in a way that
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is is part of the story that is too
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often overlooked
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where did giuliani actually get those
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deliverables
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well there were people in ukraine who
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came forward to help rudy with the
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anti-biden political ammunition
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that donald trump and rudy giuliani and
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certain
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members of republican members of
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congress conservative media outlets
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would in fact use to try to damage
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biden's chances in the election
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the people who came forward in ukraine
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to help giuliani actually
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get that stuff develop that stuff
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create tv shows about that stuff do
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interviews about that stuff do podcasts
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about that stuff
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they turned all they all turned out to
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be russian intelligence agents it's
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weird right what a coincidence
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two of the people who rudy giuliani
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worked with on this scheme
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two of the people who giuliani got
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information from about the biden
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family in ukraine two of those people
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have since been sanctioned by the us
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government within the past year
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as agents of the kremlin as agents of
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the russian
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federation who were part of an active
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russian intelligence directed effort
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to mess with the u.s election in 2020
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just as russian intelligence messed with
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our election in 2016.
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