馃攳
Nvidia just launched a 3 year old GPU [RANT] - YouTube
Channel: unknown
[0]
- I just heard Nvidia got a sick,
[2]
a new GPU for us to play with.
[7]
Well, what part of that is wrong?
[9]
Do we not get it?
[10]
Or is there no new GPU?
(somber music)
[12]
- Yes.
[14]
Wait, oh, this is the RTX
2060 relaunch, isn't it?
[19]
- Yep.
[20]
- But why?
[23]
- Think if I now, do you
want to talk about it?
[26]
- Yes I do.
[29]
And I want to talk about our sponsor.
[31]
MSI's new Meg Z690 Unified
[34]
motherboard supports the
latest 12th gen Intel core CPUs
[37]
up to 6666 mega per second DDR five memory
[41]
and a stealthy black aesthetic.
[43]
Check it out at the link below.
[45]
(upbeat music)
[54]
- Nvidia new old stock GPU uses the same
[57]
core layout as the RTX 2060 super.
[59]
But instead of that GPU's
[61]
eight gigabyte memory configuration,
[63]
they're bumping it up to
[64]
12 gigabytes of GDDR6.
[66]
At first glance that might
sound like a decent upgrade,
[69]
but there's more to the story than
[71]
just the size of the frame buffer alone.
[73]
The available memory bandwidth
is still being stifled
[75]
by the original RTX 2060s, 192 BYD Bus.
[79]
So in that respect,
[81]
it's actually a step back
from the RTX 2060 super.
[84]
That means this card should
perform somewhere between
[87]
the OG 2060 and the super variant
[90]
rather than surpassing them.
[91]
Unless you have a specific need
for the extra video memory.
[94]
- And you just might.
[95]
To account for newer titles coming out
[97]
with bigger and more varied assets
[99]
Nvidia would have seen
fit to give the RTX 2060,
[102]
some extra juice in the caboose;
[104]
not to mention the marketing benefits.
[106]
12 gigs puts them on par with
AMD who has for some time been
[110]
criticizing Nvidia's lower-end cards
[112]
for their smaller frame buffers.
[114]
If nothing else,
[115]
at least it helps to ensure that
[117]
anyone who's buying
one of these RTX 2060s,
[120]
isn't stuck with all of the limitations
[122]
of a three-year-old design.
[124]
Obviously you're not going to be
[126]
cranking the visuals on these cards,
[127]
but you're also not going to be
[129]
scrambling to upgrade
again in a year or so.
[131]
Mm Maybe.
[133]
- We'd love to verify that,
[134]
but we certainly can't today.
[137]
Not only has Nvidia canned
the founder's edition
[140]
that they briefly listed on their website,
[142]
but we didn't get a card to review.
[145]
And they haven't been
talking to the press either;
[147]
us included.
[148]
As far as we could tell
this card was still a
[151]
maybe on the horizon rumor
as recently as last week.
[157]
There's two ways you could look at this.
[159]
First, obviously we already know
[161]
pretty much how the RTX 2060 performs.
[163]
So reviews, aren't likely to
reveal anything mind blowing.
[167]
Maybe they felt it wasn't worth bothering.
[169]
The second is more troubling.
[172]
As of writing, I have no
idea how much it costs.
[177]
Each board partner is going
to have their own skews
[179]
with their own pricing
[180]
and Nvidia hasn't announced a baseline
[183]
MSRP like they usually would.
[185]
Instead opting for the cryptic,
[187]
it's a premium product,
[189]
So it'll be priced accordingly line.
[192]
It could be that this card
will be very expensive.
[195]
And they're trying to get out in front
[196]
of a negative news cycle full
of inevitable comparisons
[199]
to the 30 series launch MSRPs.
[201]
- And to be fair to Nvidia,
[203]
there's no real benefit to tech press
[205]
and subsequently consumers yelling at them
[208]
about how their MSRP doesn't exist,
[210]
when it's inevitably higher
for most partner boards.
[213]
Now we've talked at length
about why MSRP has been rising
[216]
and why the MSRPs is that many GPUs
[219]
originally launched at
are functionally extinct.
[222]
But the TLDR is that it's a combination
[224]
of the ongoing chip shortage,
[226]
raw materials skyrocketing,
[228]
and price thanks to COVID recovery,
[230]
and speculation and just plain
and simple supply and demand.
[235]
It's becoming more expensive
just to get the chips,
[237]
let alone, put it all together
[239]
and this cost isn't
going away anytime soon.
[242]
Nvidia sells GPUs to everyone else
[244]
so that they can eat that cost then.
[247]
The partners don't have the luxury
[249]
of selling loss leaders.
[250]
- [Anthony] Oh, this is interesting.
[251]
I just got a response from a Asus.
[254]
Apparently they don't
know what the MSRP is yet.
[257]
- I'd love to say that surprising,
[258]
but I just don't think it is.
[261]
- That Nvidia won't commit to a MSRP
[263]
could be seen as a small mercy
[266]
or another way of messing
with their partners.
[269]
Whatever the case partners
won't have to do much
[271]
to both everyone off and
sell all their stock at once.
[275]
The fact of the matter is that
[276]
both the RTX 2060s launched at 349
[280]
and the RTX 3060 that's supposed
[281]
to replace it launched at 329.
[284]
If the price ends up being
anything higher than that,
[287]
r/hardware is going to lose their minds;
[290]
whether it's justified or not.
[292]
It feels like Nvidia is hanging
partners out to dry again.
[296]
While they continue to enjoy
the positive perception of
[298]
reasonable MSRP on their cards,
[301]
their board partners
have no hope of matching
[303]
with this release or any other,
[304]
either in terms of price or performance.
[307]
We'll have them linked down
below once they're available,
[309]
but I'm not hopeful will be a good deal.
[312]
- Though, as unpopular
as this take might be,
[314]
it'll still be a bargain at
least at off the shelf prices
[319]
compared to scalper RTX
2060 prices on eBay.
[322]
I mean, look at this.
[323]
They are regularly selling
for more than 500 to $600,
[328]
depending on whether it's the
super variant of the card.
[331]
And whoever bought this one
for over 800 U.S dollars,
[334]
must've been pretty desperate.
[336]
(upbeat music)
[337]
The people buying these
scalped secondary market cards
[339]
are the people who will benefit the most.
[341]
They've clearly already accepted that
[343]
they're going to have to
shell out flagship money
[346]
for a less than flagship experience
[348]
and more cards on the market means that
[350]
there's less pressure for
these second hand GPUs.
[353]
I mean it's really a win-win for consumers
[356]
as far as I'm concerned.
[357]
Just like our new Swacket
it on lttstore.com.
[360]
Heavier than a sweater
and lighter than a jacket.
[363]
Everyone wins.
[364]
- Except not really.
[367]
if Nvidia has been holding onto these GPUs
[370]
because they couldn't
sell them before now,
[372]
then this is more of a positive for them
[375]
than for anyone else.
[376]
And it means that these
GPUs have a finer quantity.
[379]
- I don't think that's true.
[381]
Nvidia would have sold
remaining stock for cheap
[383]
or to a system integrator for pre-built
[385]
or what have you before now.
[387]
Remember the 7900 GTO?
[389]
Those were basically 7900 GTX chips
[392]
that were perfectly fine,
[394]
but deprecated by the
outstanding 8800 series.
[398]
Besides there's no way that
they'd have enough surplus
[401]
to launch a whole new skew at this point,
[404]
across their entire range of partners.
[406]
7900 GTO, as you might recall,
[408]
was MSI and EVG exclusively
due to its limited quantities.
[413]
Now Turing RTX 20 series.
[415]
Was produced on TSMC is 12 nanometer node.
[418]
And more likely what's
happening is Nvidia is utilizing
[421]
otherwise idle production
because you got to remember guys,
[425]
even though TSMC offers seven nanometer
[428]
and five nanometer for
cutting edge products
[430]
and is working on ramping three nanometer,
[433]
they haven't necessarily
just taken their last gin
[436]
old equipment and hocked it in a bin.
[439]
Due to the large upfront investment,
[440]
that kind of stuff ends up
[441]
getting phased out very gradually.
[444]
I mean, even AMD's flagship X70 chip set
[447]
is still using 14 nanometer
because it's economical.
[451]
So if no other GPUs are being produced
[453]
on 12 nanometer right now,
[455]
any new capacity that Nvidia gets
[458]
out of those fabs is new capacity,
[461]
as far as the GPU market is concerned.
[463]
And I think they made the right call
[465]
going with the RTX 2060
super cores as well because
[469]
assuming that they're
going to be using the
[470]
relatively small TU106 Die,
[473]
they should be able to get
more good Die per way for
[476]
than they would with something like a
[477]
2070 super redux or
something along those lines.
[481]
- Okay.
[482]
This is starting to make sense,
[483]
except for the fact that
Nvidia is bundling these GPUs
[488]
with 12 gigabytes of GDDR6.
[491]
GDDR6 was a large part of
the production bottleneck
[494]
that played both Nvidia and AMD
[495]
through the 2020 and 2021
phases of this shortage.
[499]
And I haven't found
any evidence to suggest
[502]
that things are so much better,
[503]
now that a relief skew like this
[505]
can reliably use so much memory.
[508]
12 gigs at 192 bit means
[510]
that we're looking at 616 gigabit Dies,
[513]
the exact same layout of the RTX 3060.
[515]
Well, this might have been done
[516]
so partners could use
the same or similar PCBs.
[520]
It means that this memory
is not going into RTX 3060
[523]
production or RPX 3050 production.
[525]
Which is expected sometime in early 2022.
[528]
Get subscribed so you
don't miss our coverage
[530]
with that card when it launches.
[532]
- I can only assume that
they have their reasons.
[535]
Clearly Nvidia knows more
about supply chain management
[537]
than we do at this point,
[539]
or indeed than they did when they launched
[541]
the 8800 series all those years ago.
[543]
It did seem that around
summer of this year,
[547]
demand for GDDR6 had fallen
in comparison with supply.
[550]
So who knows, and on the
subject of lessons learned,
[554]
it does say a lot about
the mature way that Nvidia
[557]
is handling this by straight
up calling this card
[560]
what it is 2060 12 Gig.
[563]
Remember how Nvidia rebranded Fermi
[565]
and then later Kepler
into two generations each?
[568]
I mean, we got new GPUs with new names,
[572]
but they were the same bloody thing.
[574]
It's stupid that they have to get
[576]
a gold star for calling a
spade a spade in this industry,
[579]
but here we are.
[582]
And as long as the logistics do work out,
[584]
this is going to be a net
benefit to the overall
[587]
availability of graphics cards
for at least a little while;
[591]
which is good for everyone.
[592]
- Just as long as long as we don't go back
[594]
much further than this.
[595]
I had a dream the other night that Nvidia
[598]
re-released the GTX 780 and everyone
[600]
(Linus laughs)
was happy about it.
[601]
I mean, 28 nanometer,
is it even less utilized
[604]
node these days, right?
[605]
So...
[607]
- I don't think that dreams
coming true anytime soon.
[610]
Re-releasing an older GPU
is only remotely feasible
[613]
because we are in such
desperate circumstances.
[616]
And because the process node for that GPU
[619]
is still in production and maybe
[622]
not fully tapped by other industries.
[624]
It certainly carries
with it some challenges.
[627]
Like the fact that Nvidia might have to
[628]
continue to support 20
series cards for much longer
[632]
than they might have originally planned
[633]
in order to maintain their reputation
[635]
for industry leading
long-term driver support.
[637]
This move then, requires
some lateral thinking
[640]
on the part of both Nvidia
and prospective buyers.
[643]
Hey, it's not going to be for everyone,
[646]
but we live in interesting times
[648]
and the market is clearly
there for this class of GPU.
[652]
I just hope that the power
consumption per hash rate
[655]
is not appealing enough
to make it appealing
[658]
because I doubt they respond it for
[660]
a light hash rate version.
[663]
Just like I respond, telling
you about our sponsor.
[666]
Jackery makes solar ready
portable power stations
[669]
designed to improve outdoor life
[670]
by providing power outdoors
[672]
whenever and wherever you need it.
[674]
There Explorer 1500 portable
power station has enough juice
[677]
to keep all your devices
powered and connected.
[679]
It's huge 1500 watt hour capacity
[682]
and 1800 watt output rate allows up to
[684]
seven devices plugged in simultaneously.
[687]
It takes only four hours to
recharge up from zero to 80%.
[691]
And you can check out the Explorer 1500
[693]
at the link down below
[694]
and get 10% off with code LinusTechTips.
[697]
Thanks for watching guys.
(upbeat music)
[698]
Go check out our video on how I was right
[701]
that you should have
built a PC back in 2019,
[704]
but for all the wrong reasons.
[707]
Yep, we all lost the game,
[708]
but there's more info about the shortage
[711]
and prices in there that might help
[712]
to make some sense of
these troubled times.
Most Recent Videos:
You can go back to the homepage right here: Homepage