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welcome back my gallon of Axios wrote
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yesterday that there are two kinds of
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quote collusion delusion one the belief
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among president Trump's most ardent
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supporters that no collusion indictments
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means the president's witch-hunt claims
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have been vindicated and a second he
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wrote the bitter reality that this probe
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has spawned many others stretching far
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beyond Russia's so it's delusional to
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think it simply ends with no collusion
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joining me now to to look at some of the
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legal implications of the Muller report
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re Melbourne MSNBC's chief legal
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correspondent and host of the beat on
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MSNBC and former senior FBI official
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Chuck Rosenberg alright I'm gonna start
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with you
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the no new indictments with the
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conclusion of the Muller report was
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greeted as a as a moment of vindication
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by why the president's most ardent
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supporters why shouldn't they feel good
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at least about that fact they can feel
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somewhat good because it shows that Bob
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Muller did not find a chargeable
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election conspiracy not against Donald
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Trump and not against people around him
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so that tells you something the reason
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why I think President Trump has remained
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quiet and most people are still waiting
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is the report could ultimately surface a
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lot of other bad material about poor
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judgments or even attempted crimes
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without charging them Chuck Rosenberg
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principled conclusions okay you've
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worked in the Justice Department you
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know how different people interpret
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different phrases what's your sense of
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what Bill Barr means by that yeah he
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promised it quickly Chuck and so it
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strikes me that he meant by that that it
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would be reasonably high level meaning
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all the stuff we want to see in the
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report all the interesting details
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probably not you expect a very narrow
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scope here reasonably narrow because he
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promised it so quickly and because
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there's a lot to work through before you
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can decide whether all that other stuff
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can be public obviously the big question
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is it's collusion versus obstruction and
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can you come to a collusion conclusion
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apologies for that alliteration
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if obstruction took place sorry you
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definitely can shed more light on what
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were the reasons that Donald Trump
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seemed to repeatedly interfere with
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these probes instruct people to miss Lee
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lie was there something underlying and
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the theory had been well that might be
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this election conspiracy collusion it
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might also be other related problems
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that national security officials care
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about or the Congress cares about that
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are not what has been called collusion
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for example if somebody high in the
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government owes a foreign power a lot of
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money and that has corrupted foreign
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policy that's a big deal but that might
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not be the kind of thing of Special
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Counsel charges all right
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we've seen we have an array of issues in
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public that we've covered that have led
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to some people believing an obstruction
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charge won't actually even be that
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difficult
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you've got his suggestion to Co me to
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drop the Flynn probe you've got the
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firing of Comey when he cited the Russia
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thing ordering the White House Counsel
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to fire Muller calling for the Attorney
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General to fire Muller dangling the
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possibility of pardons this is the
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public record do you expect Muller
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if you expect him to be so focused on
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his charge that he lists the evidence
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without making a conclusion meaning
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he'll list all of the obstruction
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evidence and basically Chuck Rosenberg
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it's up to you to conclude whether
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that's obstruction yeah there's a
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difference between describing yes find
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and characterizing what you and what do
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you expect him to do I worked for the
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man I expect him to describe what he
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found I expect him to describe it in
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detail but not to characterize it
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because that becomes something in the
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eye of the beholder and so it'll be for
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us and for Congress and for journalists
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to decide what whether what Muller has
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found amounts to obstruction he will
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describe it he will lay out the evidence
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he will give you an evidentiary
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foundation I believe it'll be for others
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to characterize that leads to the
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political challenge I think for the
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House Judiciary Committee and I think
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that's why you heard some hesitancy in
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in gerald Adler absolutely ultimately
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the materials that come from Bob Muller
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to the Congress whether that is sooner
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or later are going to put forward
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questions of whether this president
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abused his power in such a way that the
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Congress wants to do something about it
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and that's significant even in the
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absence of collusion indictments so you
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have both things happening Chuck on the
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one hand people who had long assumed or
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hoped that this president clearly
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illegitimate
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obtain the presidency those individuals
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it's time to acknowledge there is no
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chargeable collusion and yet on the
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other hand the house is gonna have to
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consider the facts presented about
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potential obstruction let me go to
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executive privilege here because this to
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me is this rabbit hole how do you know
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what to assert as executive privilege
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without reading the report right so they
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have to read the report there's a who
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reads it there's this odd tension here
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right the Justice Department is part of
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the executive branch the president runs
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the executive branch the Attorney
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General the United States reports to the
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president if there's stuff in that
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report put aside classified information
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and grand jury information all those
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other categories if there's stuff in
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that report over which executive
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privilege can be genuinely legitimately
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asserted someone's going to have to see
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it before they can make the assertion I
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assume that means White House Council is
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going to go through the report and see
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whether or not an assertion is valid
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remember though privileges are qualified
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they can be overcome when they've been
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overcome in the past and it may be
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overcome here Jerrold Nadler seems to
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think that the White House has no case
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here do you think they have a case it's
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a very hard argument to make that Bob
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Muller got things from people through a
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lawful process never over voluntarily
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though and they the White House's
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lawyers had always said they reserve the
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right
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they say they reserve the right but this
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was a lawful process no judge ever
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rejected the investigative tools and so
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short of something very special for
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example something Donald Trump put in
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his own written answer subject to his
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own as you say qualified statement that
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he later wanted to revoke it it's hard
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to see the bulk of this being subject to
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executive privilege Chuck you have a way
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of reminding us of things we're not
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focusing on here what is it part of the
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Muller report that you think is going to
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be more important to people that were
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not discussing well there are parts of
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it that are really important because
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remember at essence it's a
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counterintelligence investigation right
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what did our adversary Russia do to us
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in the 2016 election and what do they
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hope to do to us down the road is that
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investigation wrapped up the counter to
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exact mean that that's also wrapped up
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to the counter-intel investigation I'd
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be surprised if that were wrapped up and
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here's why this is an ongoing struggle
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between Russia and Western democracy
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and so they didn't stop doing what they
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do when Bob Mahler finished his report
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and so whether it smaller or the
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counterintelligence division of the FBI
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or the rest of our intelligence
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community this is a serious ongoing
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concern but at some point the Justice
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Department has to be a part of ending
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the cloud over the presidency and
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letting the Congress or everyone else
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make judgments all right
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maybe we'll get something this afternoon
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REM elver Chuck Rosenberg thank you for
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sharing your expertise this morning when
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