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Please be seated.
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Hello, Your Honor.
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Hello, Jerome.
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This is the case of<i>
Williams v.
Potts and Carr.</i>
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Thank you.
Good day, everyone.
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AUDIENCE: Good day.
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Ms. Williams, you've asked the
court to administer a DNA test
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to establish paternity
for your 2-year-old daughter
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Makayla Brown.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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You plan to file a claim
asking that your daughter
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become the beneficiary
of up to $153,000
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in social security
death benefits
over the next 16 years,
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because her potential father,
[33]
Mr. Marques Brown,
is now deceased.
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WILLIAMS: <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i>
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JUDGE LAKE: <i> Ms. Potts,
you and your daughter,
Ms. Carr,</i>
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have doubt that your deceased
son is the biological father,
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and in fact claim that any
number of men in town
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could be this child's father.
[48]
BOTH: Yes, Your Honor.
[48]
JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Williams,
[50]
how has the deceased's family
got in the way?
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Well, Your Honor, it's just...
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They're, first of all,
in the way of me
getting these benefits,
[59]
they're just giving me
problems, I'm having issues,
[61]
and I just don't understand.
I don't, clearly.
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Because she's a whore.
She's a whore.
[64]
Clearly, I don't understand.
[66]
And when this test proves
that the baby is not
my brother's baby,
[69]
we want her to remove his name
from the birth certificate.
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Why would you put his name
on the birth certificate
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when he was dead and nobody
knew that was his baby?
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He knew it was his baby.
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CARR: He didn't know.
[79]
Okay.
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AUDIENCE: Oh.
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JUDGE LAKE:<i>
Oh, beautiful little girl.</i>
[83]
So, Ms. Carr, why do you
have so much doubt?
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It's not his baby.
[89]
"I was taking her to
different men's
houses to get...
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"Throw her private part
a party,"
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is what she would
quote-unquote say.
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(AUDIENCE GASP)
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Meaning she goes to
different people's houses,
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men, and have fun,
and throw her
private part a party.
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So how you know who
your baby daddy is...
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Wait, wait, wait.
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But she was with your brother,
why would you take her to
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a private parts party?
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Because my brother had
other girlfriends coming over,
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and she was angry from that.
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JUDGE LAKE:<i>
So you would take her
where she wanted to go,</i>
[118]
<i> or you planned the party?</i>
[119]
Um, I would take her
where she wanna go,
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and pick her up,
[123]
and I would meet some of
the guys sometimes.
[125]
So you know for certain
[127]
that she was sleeping around
'cause you were there.
[127]
I know for certain
[129]
that she was sleeping with
other people, yes.
[131]
Is this true?
Were you having
parties with men?
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Were you sleeping
with different men?
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CARR: Can I show you,
Your Honor?
[137]
Yes, Your Honor.
She was taking me to
different men's house.
[140]
It's not a secret,
so why would I lie about
the baby being his?
[144]
<i> It's not a secret.</i>
[145]
CARR: <i> It's not
my brother's baby.</i>
[146]
<i> Can I show you, Your Honor?</i>
[148]
JUDGE LAKE: Please, please.
[151]
So I started out
taking her to Compton,
[154]
to this person's house,
where I would drop her off,
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and come back
an hour-and-a-half later
and pick her up,
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and she would bring
the person outside...
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Well, she brought
this person outside
[163]
to say hello to me,
crack a couple of jokes,
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a little sweaty,
messed up,
here messed up,
[168]
and now it's time to go.
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A couple of days later,
I'm taking her to
[172]
Manchester and McKinley,
dropping her off,
[175]
and picking her up.
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This person I never got
the chance to meet,
[179]
but it's the man, obvious,
because she had me
drop her off,
[182]
and in that time frame,
within that hour-and-a-half,
[185]
pick her back up.
[186]
Then I take her here,
to downtown,
to her friend's house,
[190]
whom she spent
most of her nights with,
[193]
and I even let her use
my bus pass to get
back home with
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on several occasions
from this location.
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(AUDIENCE MURMURING)
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So she's been to
that location
more than once?
[201]
Exactly. That's probably
who the baby daddy is.
[204]
Okay. Compton...
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And this was all during
the window of conception?
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CARR: Yes. Around all.
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WILLIAMS: No.
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WILLIAMS: No.
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JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Williams?
[214]
He was already dead
when she was taking me
on 5th and Main.
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He was already dead.
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CARR: Did you not throw
your private part a party?
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Is that not your logo?
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WILLIAMS: No.
[221]
Oh. Okay.
[222]
Your Honor, I took her
downtown one time.
[225]
At the time, did you know
she was cheating,
or you know it now?
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I know it now because
I took her down...
[230]
Well, I took her
downtown one time
[232]
and that's the only time
I knew she was cheating
on my son.
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WILLIAMS:
Hmm, these names are not...
I know what I know.
[239]
JUDGE LAKE: All right,
let's talk about
the pregnancy.
[242]
When did you actually realize
you were pregnant?
[244]
Um, about close to two months
after I was incarcerated.
[247]
I had to contact my cousin,
[250]
and my cousin contacted
Mr. Brown and let him know
that I was pregnant.
[254]
CARR: No, Mr. Brown found out
she was pregnant
[256]
from a letter
she sent to the house
[258]
that was intercepted
by my mom.
[260]
And then my mom told him
that the letter stated
that she was pregnant,
[264]
and my brother was like,
"No, she's not, and that's
not my baby."
[268]
WILLIAMS: Okay. I have...
[270]
What do you have there, ma'am?
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I have, uh, letters.
Coincide back
and forth between us.
[281]
This first letter is dated
November 5.
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It's a letter from you to...
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WILLIAMS: <i> Mr. Brown.</i>
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JUDGE LAKE: <i> Mr... Okay.</i>
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<i> And it says...</i>
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(JUDGE LAKE READING)
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What is this about?
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About me being pregnant.
I was in the working dorm
and I had to keep it a secret,
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because if people knew
I was pregnant, they want
to move me out.
[306]
To general population.
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And what's the other piece of
evidence you have, ma'am?
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Um, this is another letter
that I got back from him
that he wrote.
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This was dated November 29.
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And it's from...
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CARR: <i> Him to me.</i>
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JUDGE LAKE: <i> Him to you.</i>
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(JUDGE LAKE READING)
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That's what he wrote to you?
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CARR: He didn't
sent her anything.
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And that was 24 days later.
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You said what, Ms. Carr?
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He'd tell her anything
while she was in jail.
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He had girls coming over
left and right.
[342]
That's just something to feed
her, to ease her mind while
she was behind them bars.
[346]
Okay, so why are you
so sure he's your
child's father, then?
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Because I know
what I was doing.
[351]
Yeah, you also slept with
two of my other brothers.
[351]
People have condoms.
[353]
So how are you so sure that
that's my brother's baby?
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How are you so sure?
[356]
Because I know.
[358]
Oh, are you sure of
all your baby daddies?
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CARR: We're not here for me.
[361]
Okay, but you need to worry
about your own business
instead of mine.
[363]
But we can come.
I know what I do
with my private parts.
[365]
Just like I'd know
what I do with mine.
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Throw it a party.
She's a whore.
[369]
Wow.
[380]
Did you get to speak to him
any more about...
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Yeah, we had a couple of
telephone conversations
[385]
when it was actually money on
the phone for him to accept
the collect calls.
[390]
We had like maybe three
or four conversations.
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And what were those
conversations about?
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It's not his baby.
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Did he ever say
"This isn't my baby"?
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No, not to me.
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I don't know what he said
to anybody else,
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I can only tell you
what he told me.
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CARR: We hid the letter
from her... We hid
the letter from...
[405]
He told me that he
wasn't the baby daddy.
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JUDGE LAKE:
That's what he told you?
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Yes.
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When she received
the letter and brought it
to his attention,
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'cause she told my mother,
told everybody else
about the letter
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before we even brought it
to his attention.
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So when we brought it
to his attention,
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he told us all at once that
that wasn't his baby.
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Okay. So at what point,
Ms. Williams,
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did you find out
that he had passed away?
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The day after
I called the house.
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How long was that after
the last time you spoke
with him via mail?
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I don't know mail,
but maybe three weeks to
a month, with the phone call.
[436]
With the phone call?
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I talked to him in
the beginning of May.
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So the last phone call
you had with him is
the beginning of May.
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And he passed away...
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At the end of May.
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At the end of May.
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Your Honor, he passed
away on May 23, 2013.
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So I have to ask,
but I ask respectfully,
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what happened to your son?
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My son was standing down
the street from the house
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getting ready to go party
with his friends,
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the guy came down in a car
and they shot him right there
on the corner.
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JUDGE LAKE: <i> I'm so sorry.</i>
[468]
Is this before or after
Makayla was born?
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WILLIAMS: Before.
[471]
Before.
[472]
When I got the news,
I was, like, already...
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I was close to the end of
my pregnancy but I was
having issues,
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so they had me,
like, hospitalized.
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I had, like, something
called placenta previa.
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And, you know, I was
constantly having issues
in and out of the hospital,
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and when I got
the information from Ms. Carr,
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it kind of sent me
over the edge.
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So they had to, like, rush me,
[490]
like, in the process
I had to get
an emergency C-section,
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it was complications with
the birth and everything.
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Did you immediately
ask about death benefits
for your child,
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or how did you proceed
at that point?
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Well, at the time...
I'm sorry.
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At the time,
I was incarcerated,
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so there was
no death benefits
to proceed.
[507]
There was nothing
I could do but
just have the baby,
[508]
have somebody come
to pick the baby up.
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She ain't entitled
to nothing anyway.
That ain't my brother's baby.
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And then when
was the first time
you two saw the baby?
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We never saw the baby.
[520]
She sent the baby home
to one of her friends.
[522]
Because they wouldn't even
come to pick the baby up.
[522]
No, because...
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You never... She never...
You never asked us
to pick that baby up.
[527]
I had a conversation
with Mr. Brown...
[530]
POTTS: I was sick
for two years.
[531]
CARR: But she never
asked me to take the baby.
[533]
WILLIAMS: I had a conversation
with Mr. Brown...
[534]
She never asked me to
step up and take the baby.
[536]
WILLIAMS: I asked him,
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"Who gonna come
and pick the baby up?"
[540]
'Cause I don't have nobody,
I don't really have
family members, so...
[541]
CARR: He never
mentioned that to us.
[543]
He was like, "Well, my mamma
says she don't want no more
babies at this house."
[547]
I was sick, Your Honor.
I was sick.
[549]
But she never even
ask you to take care of it.
[549]
No.
[551]
She just assumed because
she was sick that she
wouldn't take the baby.
[555]
She just was believing,
if my brother even told her
[557]
that my mother
wouldn't take the baby,
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you, as a mother,
could have stepped up
[561]
the same way you were
calling the house
[562]
to talk to my brother
and ask my mother,
[564]
and then we would have
bowed down as a family
and took the baby.
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(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[570]
She never brought that baby
to us and that's where
the doubt lies.
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And she refused the DNA test.
[573]
He was like, "My mamma..."
[575]
I've never refused a DNA test.
[575]
I offered to pay half.
[577]
I offered to pay half
on the DNA test.
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I don't have money
to pay half. I don't!
[579]
You didn't say that.
[581]
Your quote-unquote
response was, "I'm not
paying the other half,"
[584]
and I said, "Why not?
The baby's half yours."
[586]
So you mean to tell me when
I first came back from jail,
[588]
you didn't ask me
if she can get a DNA test?
[589]
I told her I would give her
$100 on the DNA test.
[591]
I told her I would pay
the other $100
to do the DNA test.
[594]
She wouldn't do it.
[595]
Wait. So, ultimately,
you feel like you were
chasing her down,
[599]
trying to get her
to take the DNA test,
[601]
and she was avoiding it?
[602]
How did they have to
chasing me down when
I lived in their house?
[604]
How did they have
to chasing me down?
[606]
I said I wouldn't pay for it.
I never said I wouldn't take
the test.
[608]
So now Makayla is
almost two years old.
[608]
WILLIAMS: She is, still.
[612]
She just turned two last week.
[612]
She just turned two. Okay.
[615]
<i> Have you established any type
of a relationship with her,
Ms. Carr or Ms. Potts?</i>
[620]
Yes. Franzette was
staying at my house,
[622]
and she asked me, she take
her other boy to school
and she asked me,
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"Can I watch Makayla?"
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I never told her no.
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I never told her no.
[632]
So you do have a bond?
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Does she treat you like
you're her grandmother?
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Yes. Yes, yes.
[636]
JUDGE LAKE: She does.
[638]
And when you look at her,
do you see your son at all?
[641]
CARR: No.
[641]
POTTS: No.
[642]
I even use the website where
you put the two pictures in
[646]
and it projects an image
of what the baby is
suppose to look like.
[651]
If I can give you this...
[651]
JUDGE LAKE: Yes.
[652]
Jerome, will you hand me that?
[653]
And this baby is what
the baby should look like.
[656]
And that's not
what Makayla looks like.
[660]
So you went to a web site
on your own...
[660]
Yes.
[662]
And you put in a picture of...
[664]
Ms. Williams and...
[664]
JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Williams
[666]
and a picture of
your brother.
[669]
<i> Yes.</i>
[670]
JUDGE LAKE:<i>
And the baby should
come out looking like...</i>
[672]
CARR: <i> That.
Something like that.</i>
[672]
JUDGE LAKE: <i> This.</i>
[674]
So what we're looking at now
[676]
is a picture of Makayla,
[679]
and a picture of
the morphed version
that you did,
[683]
the mock-up,
using the app.
[686]
Yes.
[686]
Where you put in
both of the pictures?
[688]
Yes.
[688]
So when you
came up with this,
[690]
you said this is
absolutely not...
[693]
Not my brother's baby.
[694]
And you're concerned that
the baby looks nothing like...
[697]
Nothing like her.
[697]
Makayla.
[699]
Or nothing like Marques.
[700]
Your Honor,
I have a picture, too.
[702]
Of me and Makayla. Yes.
[702]
You do? I'd like to
see that, Jerome.
[706]
CARR: Makayla don't look like
none of my mom's grandkids.
[708]
They don't look like
each other.
[710]
JUDGE LAKE: This is
a picture of Makayla
and Ms. Potts.
[712]
<i> You say there's
no resemblance?</i>
[712]
POTTS AND CARR: <i> No.</i>
[714]
CARR: <i> Makayla doesn't look
like my mother at all.</i>
[717]
WILLIAMS: <i> Is she her mom?</i>
[718]
Why does she have
to look like y'all?
[720]
I don't get it.
[720]
CARR: It's her daddy's mamma.
[722]
She don't have to look
nothing like y'all.
[722]
CARR: She should look
[724]
something like that.
[724]
She looks like me
'cause she's mine.
[725]
She looks like me.
My DNA made her.
[728]
But ultimately,
DNA does not lie.
[730]
And I know that's why
you're here today.
[731]
Okay, Your Honor,
I have more evidence, also.
[733]
Oh, I'd like to
see that. Jerome.
[735]
I would like to know why,
if they're claiming
the baby isn't his,
[737]
why did they put her name
in the obituary?
[739]
CARR: Because
my mother made me.
[741]
I was forced to let
that baby's name go
inside of that obituary.
[745]
Because you
didn't want to?
[747]
No.
[747]
No, because
it's not his baby.
[750]
(READING)
[755]
<i> And Makayla Brown
is listed last.</i>
[758]
CARR: <i> Yes.</i>
[760]
And why did you have her
put it in the obituary?
[765]
I made her put it in there.
She told me, "Don't."
[767]
I just did it 'cause
I'm a Christian person,
[771]
and trying to be faithful.
[771]
WILLIAMS: Really?
[773]
CARR: Really.
[773]
WILLIAMS: Really?
[775]
CARR: She let you
come live there. Really?
You were homeless.
[777]
I know I was,
and I never said no.
[777]
Homeless.
[779]
With nowhere to go.
[779]
You're right.
[781]
So, really, yes, she did.
[781]
And you mom
did take me in.
[782]
She did allow you
to come in.
[783]
And I thank her very much
for helping me with my kids,
[785]
and living there and
all of this other stuff.
[786]
So, really, yes,
she is a Christian.
[788]
You can't take that
from her, really.
[788]
But there's too many extras.
[790]
There really is.
[790]
POTTS: There's not
a lot of extras.
[792]
But Ms. Williams,
you do understand
the doubt though, right?
[795]
Yeah. Yeah.
[795]
You understand why
they have doubt?
[797]
Even though you
may not have any.
[799]
Okay.
[799]
But I just feel like...
[801]
If it's another man running
around in this world
[804]
that is her father,
[806]
why would I deprive
my child of a dad?
[809]
Why? To blame it on somebody
that cannot help me
take care of this child?
[813]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[816]
Now you know...
[816]
It just don't make no sense.
[819]
...that the other man you're
messing with would not even
claim your baby.
[823]
So don't stand there
and make it seem like
[825]
you have somebody else
on the list to run to
[828]
that would be
a great father
to your child.
[830]
The two dudes that
I do know about,
take care of their kids...
[831]
Because the man
that you met with
[833]
and the one you messing
with now will not...
[833]
...take care of his child.
[835]
Ladies, ladies, ladies.
[838]
Ultimately this is
about Makayla,
[840]
that's why we're here.
[840]
POTTS: Yes.
[842]
JUDGE LAKE: <i> But interesting...</i>
[842]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[846]
They act like they care
so much but it's like
I was sleeping in my car,
[849]
in the front yard.
[849]
CARR AND POTTS: By choice.
[851]
By choice, because you was
knocking on our door at 2:00,
3:00 in the morning,
[854]
only whores come home at
3:00 a.m. in the morning.
[858]
You come home...
You came home at that time.
[860]
I can do whatever I want.
[860]
Exactly.
[861]
So that means I can, too.
[861]
I know, for my kids,
[863]
who the father is.
I'm not here testing my baby.
[863]
You do? All of 'em?
[867]
CARR: Every last one of them.
[869]
Anyway, back to this,
that matters.
[870]
CARR: Yeah.
[872]
I have no doubt
y'all wanted this.
I didn't need this.
[874]
All right, ladies, all right.
[886]
I think it's time
for the results.
[886]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[889]
I do.
[894]
Thank you, Jerome.
[896]
Before I get to the results,
[898]
I just want to explain
how the lab was able
to give us this result.
[903]
Because the potential father
is deceased,
[907]
with permission from
the next of kin,
[909]
we were able to obtain
a blood card.
[913]
That blood card was collected
from the LA county
coroner's office,
[917]
we used that sample
to run the paternity test.
[923]
Are we clear?
[923]
POTTS AND CARR: Yes.
[925]
Okay.
[926]
The results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics
[929]
and they read as follows.
[939]
In the case of<i>
Williams v. Potts-Carr,</i>
[943]
when it comes to
2-year-old Makayla Brown,
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<i> it has been determined
by this court</i>
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that the deceased,
Mr. Marques Brown,
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was her father.
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Thank you so much.
Thank you.
[962]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[965]
Okay. You get that.
I apologize.
[968]
Thank you.
[972]
POTTS: You know
I love Makayla.
[974]
I love Makayla 'cause
I took care of Makayla.
[974]
CARR: We needed to know.
[976]
We just want to know
was it her dad or not.
[978]
You were doing...
We needed to know.
[979]
Don't cry. I'm sorry.
[981]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[982]
We just needed
to know, okay?
[987]
JUDGE LAKE: Do you feel
relieved that now they know,
Ms. Williams?
[990]
How does it feel?
[991]
I mean, I already knew
in my heart but it's like...
[994]
I've been through a lot,
Your Honor.
[996]
I just hope stuff better,
that's all I could say.
[998]
I hope we can build a better
relationship with each other,
[1001]
I hope y'all love my kid
like y'all love your kids,
[1003]
then everything
will be all right.
[1004]
POTTS: Oh, I love my kids,
I love my kids.
[1006]
I love Makayla.
You know I loved her
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because I always kept her
anytime you asked me to,
I kept Makayla.
[1010]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
[1014]
JUDGE LAKE:
I think that's wonderful.
[1016]
I wish you all
the very best of luck.
Court is adjourned.
[1018]
ALL: Thank you.
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