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HOW TO BEAT CHEESE COMPS ft. Jayne - YouTube
Channel: KarQ
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cheese comps what are they and how do
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you counter them
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we'll start by defining cheese no not
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that one and then give you some tips for
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beating some of the most popular cheese
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comps you'll see on the competitive
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ladder
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cue the intro
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hey what's going on guys my name is karq
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and to help me tackle this topic i'm
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joined by
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jane hello friends my name is jane and
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i'm a full-time streamer
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coach and analyst who does vod reviews
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and pro analysis in order to help
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players improve
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so what is cheese exactly and why does
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it make you want to smash your keyboard
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to pieces
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while the exact definition is disputed
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among the player base generally speaking
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cheese
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is defined as strategies or team
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compositions that are considered to be
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cheap or lazy in which the value drawn
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from running the composition is
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disproportionate to the effort put in by
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the team using it
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what the [聽__聽] does that mean jane help
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me out here
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it's basically a team comp that is easy
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to put together and easy to be effective
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because of its natural synergy
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when you run cheese you're forced to
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work together whether you like it or not
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they exploit the weakness of unorganized
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teams also known as
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all of your competitive games because
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taking down a cheese comp is a conscious
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team effort
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and they often involve off-meta heroes
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that can catch you off guard
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now you may be wondering hmm easy to put
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together
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easy to be effective why doesn't
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everyone play it then
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now while cheese can be very powerful
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and delicious
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cheese can also go bad very very quickly
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these compositions are by no means
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invincible with a little planning and
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communication you and your team can
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defeat the dreaded cheese
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let's start by running through the most
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popular cheese comps and how exactly you
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can counter them
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to the delight of fanfic writers
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everywhere pharmacy is one of the
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strongest and most popular brands of
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cheese
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easy to run but difficult to counter
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pharah can become a nightmare to play
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against
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raining damage boosted rockets down upon
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your team while staying safe in the
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skies and out healing
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any chip damage sent their way one of
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the main reasons the pharmacy works so
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well is because it can be much harder to
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hit enemies that are significantly above
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or below you on the horizontal plane
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that being said
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assuming that you have no problem aiming
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at these more extreme angles or you
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position yourself in such a way that the
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shots themselves are easier to make
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there are quite a few heroes that can
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counter pharmacy some of the simplest
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options are of course the hitscan heroes
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and although
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soldier is the most commonly suggested
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counter both mccree and widowmaker are
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superior in countering pharmacy due to
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having a higher burst damage
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diva can also be a viable option against
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pharmacy due to her ability to defense
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matrix to rockets and then shell out
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large amounts of damage
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after boosting up to her and bursting
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her down with micro missiles just be
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conscious of her cooldowns as both jump
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jet
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and concussive blast can be used to
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escape additionally
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mercy is an immortal witch who lives off
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the soles of her enemies and as such she
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starts regenerating health after not
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taking damage for a single
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second but diva can prevent this regen
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by tickling the mercy even from rather
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extreme ranges
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finally diva can defense matrix most of
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pharah's barrage or
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fly into her directly causing the
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pharaoh to eliminate herself on diva's
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mecca
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zenyatta is never a bad addition to a
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team and can greatly assist your allies
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in eliminating pharah unless of course
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your jonak
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and then you can just do it yourself
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aside from these ideas one of the best
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counters to pharmacy is actually a
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pharmacy of your own
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like they say if you can't beat them
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join them remember
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if a pharah is tagged by a damage
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booster rocket while discorded by
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zenyatta
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it's a one shot and the mercy will be
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forced to either look for the res or
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retreat back to her team
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however you don't actually have to win
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the pharaoh battle to be effective
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if you don't feel confident defeating
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your opponent in aerial combat
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avoid the pharah as much as possible and
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then aim your rockets at the much
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juicier ground-based targets every
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second that the opposing pharaoh wastes
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by chasing you around while you're
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killing her team is an extra second
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closer to a one team fight
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the final strategy that can be used to
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counter pharmacy is to focus on the rest
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of her team while attempting to ignore
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the impending death from above
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without the opposing mercy supporting
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her frontline or her fellow supports it
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will be much
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easier to win the team fight overall
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however
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this can be a ticking time bomb as the
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pharaoh will be left unchecked and be
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constantly draining your team resources
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best at quick good luck
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all right i'm gonna jump back in and
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talk to you guys about the pantheon
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cheese this is a composition that
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revolves around hp stacking with
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symmetra torbjorn and brigitte
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just just look at this what the [聽__聽] is
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this
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these three can amplify a hero's hp by
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250
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that's 100 from the brigitte armor 75
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from torb and 75 from the symmetra
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shield gen
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this counters damage break points for
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certain heroes preventing combos in one
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shots that would work under normal
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circumstances
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additionally armor is most beneficial in
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heroes who have shields because armor
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will always be
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underneath it this means that certain
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heroes that take poke damage aren't
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punished as heavily since it naturally
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regenerates when compared to those who
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don't
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this is also why symmetra's shield gen
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is a core piece of this comp in order to
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accentuate this hp interaction
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i do have a video which explains hp
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shields and armor interaction in more
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detail which should pop up on the top
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right of your screen right now and will
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be linked below if you're interested
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now with great power comes a great
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weakness
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the win condition of this cheese is to
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style long enough for their ultimates to
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come online in order to gain this hp
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bonus which means
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the counter to this is to play
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aggressively and ensure you
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win the first few fights in order to
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establish control
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and tempo you need to press your
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advantage before any of the bonus hp is
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even in place and punish
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the naturally weak damage they have
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since they're going to rely on the extra
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hp to brawl
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and outlast you since you won't commonly
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see torben simon attack you'll probably
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run into the pantheon cheese on the
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defense side which means if you see it
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early as an attacker
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get the [聽__聽] back to spawn and switch to
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aggressive heroes that are strong
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without their ultimates because you need
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to win
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now if you don't well just kidding but
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it'll be a tough uphill battle
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so at this point you have a few options
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you can play the slow and calculated way
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and switch to high burst damage heroes
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such as junkrat and pharah
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the game plan now is to poke and use the
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big burst in order to deal enough damage
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to take off the initial shields and
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whittle down the armor beneath it
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before fully engaging in a team fight
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since it doesn't regenerate
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another counter to the established
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pantheon cheese is to run a composition
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revolving around zarya to completely
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wipe them in one go
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you see when the pantheon comp
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transforms everyone into basically a
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tank
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they also transform into big beefy
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ultimate batteries and can charge you
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right up for a potential combo
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now it's important to note that there is
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a disproportionate balance of ultimate
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charge here
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in overwatch if you deal damage you earn
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ultimate charge
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however support heals can heal up that
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damage and thus earn ultimate
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charge right back creating this sort of
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balance and equilibrium
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the thing about the pantheon cheese is
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that the torben brigitte armor is
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artificial
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supports can heal natural armor but
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cannot heal artificial armor
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therefore giving you an advantage in
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ultimate economy if you play your cards
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right
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now i'm gonna send it right back to jane
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to cover the final cheese comp for this
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video
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trying to remove a bastion from behind a
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shield tank can make you want to remove
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overwatch from your computer
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the focal point of this particular brand
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of cheese is always bastion as these
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compositions are built around the
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incredibly high damage numbers it's able
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to turn out through its bullet hose
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if you get caught out in the open
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bastion can melt both tanks and squishy
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targets with ease
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and if not taken care of early in the
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fight bastion will practically ensure
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that a payload will go uncontested
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alone bastion is basically just a
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cardboard box with a gun taped to the
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point
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opponents can either avoid him or peak
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shoot him to take him out easily
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however if you play around a bastion
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properly you can patch those weaknesses
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and grant bastion extremely high
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survivability
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once set up behind their teammate's
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shields bastion becomes next to
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impossible to displace without
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coordination
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if the bastion is eliminated first then
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the rest of their team will very quickly
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fall apart
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so you'll want to make him your priority
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there are two ways to do this
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either displace the bastion or take the
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fight to him if you want to displace the
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bastion
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one great way to do this is to use
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orisa's halt ability to either lift
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bastion
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above his team shields or pull him off
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the payload
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you can accomplish a very similar thing
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by using mei's ice wall
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once lifted above the protective
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barriers a friendly roadhog can easily
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hook bastion
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and turn that evil omnic into more
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ammunition for his scrap gun
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if you want to take the fight to him
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instead you'll definitely need a diva in
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order to keep your team alive for the
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first couple of seconds of the
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engagement
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as well as characters who can easily
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play around shields genji
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sombra junkrat and hanzo are all decent
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picks against sebastian
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as well as believe it or not symmetra
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125 damage piercing orbs will either
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force him to stand up and move or give
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symmetra a very early shield generator
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these compositions are also commonly run
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with a mercy pocketing the bastion which
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allows for the robot to be restored from
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the recycling bin if deleted
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once bastion is eliminated you'll need
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to act quickly to prevent mercy from
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resurrecting it
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or at the very least prevent the bastion
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from returning to sentry mode
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lastly this comp is very heavily reliant
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on momentum
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once your team wins a team fight it
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becomes much harder for a bastion
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composition to set back up so you should
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only have to beat them once
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and that about sums it up we hope that
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these tips helped you understand what to
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expect and what to do
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to counter cheese when you see it on the
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ladder quickly before we end this video
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jane is running for coach
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and i am running for community lead for
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team canada in the upcoming overwatch
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world cup
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the position of coach is much more
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prestigious and only the top 150 players
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from canada are eligible for that vote
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but
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the community lead which is what i'm
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running for is open to all canadians
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so to those who would like to see us
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represent our land of maple syrup and
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cheap timbits make sure to sign in and
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cast your vote at
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worldcup.playoverwatch.com before may
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30th
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link is down below vote for us
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