Annuities: Choosing a Variable Annuity? - YouTube

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Dick: Right.
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Eric: The first thing is what's the best
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flavor? Annuities come in a lot
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of different flavors. It's better than
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Baskin Robbins; 31 flavors would be
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just enough to compare but when we look at
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it, what's a variable annuity?
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Dick: Why don't you talk about variable
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annuity for a minute? Who would
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typically be a good person, where a
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variable annuity would work the best
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for?
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Eric: When I think of a variable annuity
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candidate, they're typically
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younger. Time can heal their wounds,
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because they can be invested in the
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market for a longer period of time. And
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why do I say invested with a
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variable annuity? Typically, you're using
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a wrapper, the tax advantage
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wrapper of a variable annuity, to buy
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mutual funds. You get the tax
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deferral principals. You're taking the
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market risk. You're accepting that.
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Dick: Yes. The client accepts the market
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risk.
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Eric: The insurance company gives you this
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tax advantage status. In
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exchange for that you're going to accept
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the market risk. There are some
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other benefits, including basically, a
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death benefit of perhaps, of return
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of principal less what you've spent out of
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it, which is the big piece of a
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standard wrapper.
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Dick: Yes, so the idea is that with a
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variable annuity, I'm going to take
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the investment risk. However, if my
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investments lose and I die, I get my
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money back.
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Eric: That's right. Well, somebody gets
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your money back.
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Dick: I can't use it, yeah.
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Eric: Put it in the box with you and you
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get your money back. But
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otherwise yes, the return of principal is
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one of the advantages to a
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variable annuity.
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Dick: What's another advantage to a
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variable annuity?
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Eric: It's really the consideration of
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unlimited upside.
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Dick: Okay.
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Eric: If the market gains 100 points, with
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a variable annuity you have the
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potential to gain 100 points. Now that's
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not a really realistic principal,
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but in exchange for that risk-reward,
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higher risk, higher reward.
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Dick: So normally with any amount of risk
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that we take, we also take a
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corresponding amount-I said that the
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opposite way; but any type of reward
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or gain we're looking for we take a
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corresponding amount of risk; and that
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fits right along with the variable
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annuity.
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Eric: Right, and so when you look at the
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upside, then you look at the
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downside it's the potential to lose all of
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your principal.
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Dick: Right. Now you mentioned you mutual
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funds. How do variable annuities
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compare in fees to mutual funds?
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Eric: Well, they're typically that they
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have that expense ratio. You pay
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your mortality and expenses in a variable
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annuity on top of your investment
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expenses.
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Dick: Yes.
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Eric: Now depending on the insurance
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company and how they have negotiated
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you're usually able to buy into those
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mutual funds, perhaps a lower charge,
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than if you just bought them on the
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street, because you're not having to
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pay that initial share, an A share,
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upfront charge.
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Dick: You're avoiding the load.
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Eric: Right. So you're avoiding the
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expense load right up front. Now
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you're usually paying perhaps maybe closer
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to a C loan, so there are some
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expenses there.
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Dick: In my experience with variable
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annuities are that variable annuities
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do have relatively high fees and they're
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kind of known for that. And so you
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have to get a pretty good investment
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return to overcome a fee of typically--
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my understanding from Morning Star and
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some of these others is that the
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typical mutual fund will have somewhere
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around a 1.25-1.50% fee, and that
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variable annuity, just a normal commercial
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grade variable annuity somewhere
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between 3.0%, maybe on the low side
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depending on how many riders you have,
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to maybe 5.0%.
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Eric: Obviously, when we start adding
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riders in, we're getting into a
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whole new bag of tricks, but typically,
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your base annuity, and this is the
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base chassis you're going to pay at least
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a 1.50% for. There are some
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perhaps, that are a little less, but
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that's just the base.
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Dick: Before you start adding the things
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that people want.
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Eric: Exactly, the things that you really
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buy an annuity for.
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Dick: So if we were to summarize the
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variable annuity and maybe I'll take
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a stab at this. The variable annuity is
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going to give you unlimited upside,
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but you're also going to have a
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corresponding downside or risk. It would
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typically, be better for a younger person
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that has a lot of years ahead of
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them and you'd also have to believe that
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the market is going to do fairly
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well, because you do have a considerable
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amount of fees to overcome. So
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some folks would look at a variable
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annuity and say they would rather be in
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a mutual fund, but in certain situations,
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a variable annuity could be an
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advantage for a younger person. Have I
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been fair, Eric?
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Eric: I'll give you fair.
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Dick: Okay.
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Eric: The variable annuity people may not
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think we were very fair, but I
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think that was a fair assessment.