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Joel Greenblatt discusses the legendary NVR 2001 writeup (2005 Columbia Business School lecture) - YouTube
Channel: The value investing channel
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For those of you watching it's a聽
write-up on NVR written by Charlie479 (Norbert Lou)聽聽
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They're not building until they pre-sell聽
right. Anything else they're doing here?
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They're buying back stock. So you sort of know what聽
they're doing with their cash right. Anything else?聽聽
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Right so in other words usually home building聽
requires a lot of capital expenditure... You聽聽
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have to buy the land, you have to build the聽
house and then you go sell it... That could聽聽
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be a very capital intensive business and then聽
you hope to sell it.... And..... The thesis here is that聽聽
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that that's not what these guys are doing!聽
Number one they're taking the land costs聽聽
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down by only buying options on聽
land... So they have inventory to聽聽
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to build in the future ,if they need it.聽
But they're buying an option on the land.聽聽
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So that doesn't take up a lot of capital. And it's聽
an option so they're not obligated for the rest.聽聽
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They're pre-selling. So they probably have money聽
ahead of time, before they have to start building聽聽
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and a pre-sold. You know I'm sure they're taking聽
some risks there. I'd want to look in to see how聽聽
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much is actually put down, by the home builder,聽
before I start building, but I'm assuming they're聽聽
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collecting more money than they need to聽
get going and then have a schedule to pay.
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So this is sound聽聽
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Right. I think, he answers, that in a聽
sense, you know there's a size聽聽
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issue. In other words not everyone can option聽
huge tracks of land. Also I would imagine in聽聽
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building there's economies of scale. If you're聽
building a whole development out, you can build聽the stuff fairly cheaply.聽
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Right. But I guess they're getting large聽
returns on capital, so I guess so far聽聽
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they haven't been overpaying. I guess there's some
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some benefit.... Yeah Jason
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Right and um. My only guess here is that聽
they've changed their business model. In聽聽
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other words traditionally, it was. They were聽
buying the land, they were building the house聽聽
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and then trying to sell it and I think it聽
developed over a period of time. So I would聽聽
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say when this was written in 2001, the last聽
downturn had probably been in the early 90s聽聽
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and I would want to see if they were聽
using the same business model at that聽聽time and we would want too see how much their sales might drop.
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By going backwards you can see how much sales聽
could possibly drop off on the other hand聽聽
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they're doing business
differently because they're pre-selling,聽聽
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So obviously they might collect just the聽聽
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this there are only so many people who can buy聽
huge these are huge tracks of land that they're聽聽
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you know buying for developments. Um so you know聽
these are all good questions.... But on the other聽聽
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hand you have a company, that... The thesis here if聽
I had to say it, in two or three sentences聽聽
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is something the fact that this is trading at聽
eight times earnings, seven times forward earnings聽聽
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They don't put much capital into the business.聽
They have things pre-sold beforehand and if I were聽聽
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looking at this business I'd say when I'm looking聽
at something that's earning a lot of money, I don't聽聽
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i just care that that reverses and they've聽
invested a lot of money and they lose a lot聽聽
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of money in the future but with this what looks聽
attractive here is it's it's selling at seven聽聽
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times forward earnings. They don't put a lot of聽
capital into the business, they're not taking a聽聽
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lot of risk. So if there's another downturn, maybe聽
they take a small lump for a period of time but聽聽
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probably won't actually lose money and they聽
wait for the the upturn to come and they'll聽聽
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earn that money so perhaps this isn't normalized聽
earnings perhaps it is. But it's seven times聽聽earnings.
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There's almost nothing you could you could buy at that that level... So you know I聽聽
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cheated a little. So we we know from 2001 how this聽
worked out. And I'm not showing the bad ones. But聽聽
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now you can see that right. Let's make it incredibly small.
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All right well well it was at 143$ when this聽
was written up in 2001 and I guess now in 2005 it's over 800$.聽聽
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So uh one of the problems there was you聽
thought the real estate boom might end聽聽
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but you were buying it at seven times earnings聽
uh with a very good business. I doubt I happen聽聽
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to know the guy who wrote it up, 聽
didn't know this was gonna travel up to 800 but聽聽
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I think he he saw a double when he bought聽
it. (Correction. He actually held the stock... There is a interview with the author Norbert Lou, in the description) So I guess he had a margin of safety
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