Why The Biggest Pharma Company In The U.S. Is Breaking Up - YouTube

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Johnson & Johnson is the biggest pharmaceutical company in the US
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based on its market cap. It was named number 36 on the 2021
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Fortune 500 list of the largest United States corporations by
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total revenue. Johnson and Johnson has experienced dividend
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growth for nearly 60 years and has consistently outperformed
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the S&P 500 over the past 25 years.
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The analyst community has been talking about splitting up J&J
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for years - as long as I've known the company.
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Johnson & Johnson announcing that is going to be splitting
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into two publicly traded companies.
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The pharma and medical device company, which will be called
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Johnson and Johnson, and then the Tylenol, Listerine, Band-Aid
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company.
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They're now separating the consumer business away from
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pharmaceutical and the medical device division. And I think
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that's going to create significant shareholder value.
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But some investors question why J&J would choose to break up
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now. The company is embroiled in a series of lawsuits regarding
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its talcum powder, as well as its role in the opioid crisis.
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J&J also took a hit when the CDC recommended Americans receive
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one of the mRNA Covid vaccines from either Pfizer or Moderna,
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rather than J&J due to "the risk of serious adverse events."
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The timing situation is critical, just because people
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have been very intrigued as to why now
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Johnson & Johnson is one of the most influential companies in
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the pharmaceutical industry. It's really seen as a bellwether
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for the space.
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Why is the largest pharmaceutical company in the US
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breaking itself up and what does it mean for investors?
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Johnson & Johnson is made up of three unique business segments:
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Consumer, medical devices - which is also called Med Tech -
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and pharmaceuticals.
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The consumer business sells everything from Tylenol to
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Neutrogena. The pharmaceutical and medical device side of the
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company develops vaccines, like its single dose Covid vaccine
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cancer treatments, joint replacement materials and other
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biomedical technology.
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Separation right now makes a lot of sense. You're going to have
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two companies with good financial strength and cash
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flows in order to pursue the objectives that they need to to
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have normal growth for the foreseeable future.
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Analysts say the split allows J&J to bring in a management
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team to specifically focus on the consumer division, while
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also giving that segment new branding and marketing
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The strategy of running these consumer businesses is very,
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very dissimilar to a medical device or a pharmaceutical
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business. There's a lot more direct to consumer, obviously,
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the sales and marketing effort, the social media effort is very
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pronounced in consumer, it's much less so for the other
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businesses. So allowing a management team just to focus on
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what has to be done in order to resume growth or drive better
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revenue growth over the next couple of years, I think is very
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smart on their part.
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Our pharma and our medical device business tends to be much
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more of a business to business relationship in the way that we
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work through other intermediaries, you know,
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compared to the consumer business. And most importantly,
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where we see things going into the future, we feel it now is
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the right time to make this kind of a move. And again,
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ultimately, it's going to allow us to reach more patients, more
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consumers have more innovation, and execute in a much more
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focused way.
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It's a somewhat common practice for companies with diverse
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segments to break apart. Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Merck all
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reorganize their business structures within the last five
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years by spinning off segments into separate companies.
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What the market is saying is that companies should focus on
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their core competencies and let us diversify. We've already seen
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several examples of large pharma separating out non core assets.
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I think they finally came to terms with the fact that they
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weren't really seeing value in the share price from having that
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consumer business.
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When you're a conglomerate, you never get credit for the various
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different pieces. And quite frankly, you probably shouldn't,
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because some other parts of the company are not investing the
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way they should. They're not focus the way they should. And
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so when you separate out various different businesses, we now as
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analysts and portfolio managers can appreciate what the each of
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the businesses are. And they do over time, there have been
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studies that have been done, both Remain Co. and New Co. can
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outperform because they are on their own.
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So far, investors reaction to the divide has been mild with
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the stock only moving modestly higher on the news. The stock
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went on to underperform the week following the announcement.
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The market hasn't really reacted to the news. There are some
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risks to this execution from separating out the consumer
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business. And I think investors aren't fully convinced yet of
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the standalone earnings potential of both companies. So
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from a consumer perspective, I think people wonder how the
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consumer business can compete with companies such as Procter &
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Gamble, and some of these larger, more established players
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in the space.
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J&J's business move may also help attract a different type of
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investor.
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You're going to get people that are consumer staples and
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consumer oriented. You'll get them focused on the consumer
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piece. And of course, you're now more of a pure play healthcare.
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And so you'll get more health care analysts.
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You finally get a situation in J&J, where the balance of the
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business is not impacted by what's going on, good or bad,
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with the consumer business. But unfortunately, there's been more
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bad than good for J&J over the past call it five to 10 years,
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probably.
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Johnson & Johnson coming out with the statement saying that
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due to a product review resulting from the Covid-19
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pandemic, they have decided to cut about 100 different products
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from their assessment, including all of their talc based
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Johnson's Baby products.
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Let's not forget that the talc litigation is with consumer
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product right and the talc litigation has been horrendous.
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Johnson & Johnson has experienced a number of legal
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battles and liability issues regarding all three segments of
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its business. In July 2021, Johnson & Johnson reached a
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settlement that requires the company to pay $5 billion over
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the next nine years due to its involvement in the opioid
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crisis. But it's the legal challenges on the consumer side
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of the company that has grabbed the most media attention.
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More than 20,000 lawsuits have been filed alleging Johnson &
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Johnson's baby powder resulted in mesothelioma and ovarian
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cancer. These legal challenges have been ongoing for years,
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with a slew of headlines coming out about juries awarding
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plaintiffs millions of dollars Johnson and Johnson discontinued
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selling its talc-based baby powder in the US and Canada in
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May 2020 as demand for the product fell.
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In June 2020. The courts ordered j&j to pay a $2.1 billion fine
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in the Baby Powder cancer case. There may be more settlements
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and fines to come as the lawsuits make their way through
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the courts state by state.
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I think one of the main reasons that this stock trades where it
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does which is discount to the market overall. It's the
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unknown. Once we get the resolution, I honestly think
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it's going to be kind of almost liberating. Okay, we got it, we
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figured it out. Whatever the dollar amount is, now we can
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move it along and focus again on the pharma business and the med
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tech business.
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These may seem like big numbers. But to put it in perspective,
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J&J reported a profit of more than $15 billion in 2019, and
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$14.7 billion in 2020. The company reported $19.9 billion
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in free cash flow in 2019. And that number went up to $20. 2
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billion in 2020.
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I don't think the legal issues will be an impediment to the
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company's growth going forward. I do think there's some headline
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risk to it. We often get questions as to if that's the
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reason J&J is separating out its consumer business. And I don't
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think that's the case. I think they separated out the consumer
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business because the business model has changed and the
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synergies that they used to have with pharma med device are now
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different.
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Johnson & Johnson declined CNBC requests for comment on its
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decision to separate as well as the on-going litigation. The
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company told The Wall Street Journal in November 2021 that
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the lawsuits alleging the use of Johnson's baby powder cause
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cancer didn't play a role in the decision to break up the
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company.
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In October 2021, J&J put the talcum claims into a separate
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company, which filed for bankruptcy protection. That
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means it's going to be considered a separate entity
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from the consumer business.
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What they're trying to do is increase the attention on what's
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actually happening with the business at the remaining J&J,
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having a liability shell absorb the pain related to talc and the
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painkiller situation, and then the consumer business hang on to
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the rest.
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So it is something that we have seen other companies do before I
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think that J&J will be able to prevail and basically having an
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efficient way to deal with all these liabilities and then
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remove it, I think, from the headline risk.
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If they can create these liability shells in order to not
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protect the company so much, but just to limit the effect it's
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having, I don't think investors care as long as they're the
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company responsible for paying out any claims.
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Johnson & Johnson's different segments tend to offset one
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another.
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The risk to J&J longer term is that there are issues that are
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more pervasive within either pharma or med tech. And the
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consumer business no longer provides an offset in the event
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that the fundamentals around that unit improve.
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When you think about the future of consumer if that business
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model is evolving, and the synergies that were historically
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there are not there anymore, and you require greater investment
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in order to grow that business, then I think the offset to cash
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flow, if there's any hiccup in pharma med device won't be
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there, the way that it used to be.
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They're gonna obviously have to do a very good job of making
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sure the growth rates with the balance of the business continue
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to be robust or improve from here.
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Wall Street has also expressed concerns about how smoothly the
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process of spinning off will go.
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Some of the things that people have asked about that the
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company hasn't given a ton of color on is the stand up costs
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associated with separating out this consumer business. Any
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potential synergies and the tax implications and exactly how
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they're going to affect this.
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There are a few other potential risks such as the possibility of
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health-care reform or patent expiration.
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That's why they're so excited about their pipeline, because
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while a few of their drugs are going to go off-patent in a few
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years, and that's your near-term risk, your longer-term story as
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well wait, we've got a big pipeline and now we're kind of
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more of a streamlined company, where we can take our cash flows
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and reinvest and do even more and do even better and grow even
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stronger.
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Some analysts were questioning why Johnson and Johnson didn't
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split into three companies by separating its pharmaceutical
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and medical device units.
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It's a topic of debate. And it's not clear that over the longer
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term if that might not be something they could pursue. But
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I think today, the board and the company feel that pharma and med
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devices still has a lot of synergies. They talk about but a
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lot of opportunities that are shared from a market perspective
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between the two businesses. And the way that products are
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developed and commercialized are still similar enough where they
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can actually work together to get it done. But I would say
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that over the longer term that would potentially make sense.
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And I think one of the things when I talk to investors about
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J&J, what's really tough is, it's hard to find an investor
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that has a broad enough perspective to really get their
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arms around. All three businesses being pharma, med
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device, a consumer people are usually focused on one of those
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three segments.
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I would say that when you have a business that we're most of the
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analyst community doesn't really pay attention to and you siphon
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that off, it's probably gonna be a positive.
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I think I'm gonna continue to add to this position. They're
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trying to create shareholder value any way that they can.
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This is one you kind of put away and I think just gonna let it
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ride and let them figure out how the whole thing evolves. I think
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it's very exciting though.