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dan Elizabeth let's start with you Tripp
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Gabriel we've been talking about Tripp
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Gabriel's piece this morning I went
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through a litany of impeachable offenses
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off the top of the show I mean I could
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do it I could do them again but I think
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most other presidents or attorney
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generals would already have impeachment
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hearings set up against them and Nancy
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Pelosi knows though what Tripp Gabriel
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reported that people in Youngstown Ohio
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and across the Upper Midwest are saying
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I don't care about his taxes I don't
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care a bar light before Congress I don't
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care about the Russians I want my job
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back that I want or at least I want the
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type of job my dad had in Youngstown
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yeah the interesting thing and it's not
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just people from Youngstown we've been
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reporting in other parts of the Midwest
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and it is farmers who are being hurt by
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the president's trade war but they say
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well you know I'll take this short-term
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pain he's I'm glad he's standing up to
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China so people are as not necessarily
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supporting their economic self-interest
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we've seen this before there's a lot of
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there's its identity politics and as we
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have seen the president has you know
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maintains that 35 to 42 percent support
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regardless of what happens in Washington
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and regardless of what we talk about in
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terms of subpoenas the Mulla report his
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taxes payments to porn stars it has not
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really budged in two and a half years
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they really don't care Jeffrey Goldberg
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it's also I didn't see the trip Gabriel
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story also brought out a very
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interesting contrast between the
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president of United States and right now
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his chief competitor who was Joe Biden
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regarding China these Youngstown workers
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and workers across the Upper Midwest and
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America loved a president that's taking
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on China and yet Joe Biden has said we
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have nothing to worry about
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with China there seems to be a marked
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contrast it actually may require Joe
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Biden to go back and clean that line up
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a bit yeah that wouldn't be the first
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time he had to go back and clean up a
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line although he's been pretty
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disciplined so far I think I'm wrong but
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it's been an unusual as someone who
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wrote about him for years yeah I mean
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obviously Joe Biden is acutely aware I
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mean it's it's always this question
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right about whether Joe Biden is
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actually the Tribune of the white
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working-class of the white blue-collar
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male in the Upper Midwest and and we
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don't know for sure how deep that is but
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he is acutely sensitive to that image
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and I I don't doubt that his position on
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China will evolve if evolution is is
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what is required I'm not trying to sound
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cynical there but I would I would bet
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with you that we hear some tougher
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language when he realizes that this is
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what people want and people are people
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are no longer trusting of elites when
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they come talk to them about China and
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trade policy and free trade you know
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Willie I the trip Gabriel piece is so
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important in the New York Times because
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I think it struck a chord with a lot of
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people that actually live in middle
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America have friends in middle America
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have relatives in middle America what
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those people were saying sounds an awful
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lot like what you and I hear from
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friends that don't live on the coast and
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that is hey Trump's a fighter yeah he's
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not perfect but guess what neither am i
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neither of you you know he I want him in
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there fighting for me it is he has built
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a pretty strong brand with a large swath
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of voters in Middle America well he made
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a promise in the 2016 presidential
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election that those jobs that left in
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the steel industry in the auto industry
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in the coal industry we're gonna come
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flooding back to the country that hasn't
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happened which makes this story in The
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Times today so interesting in Youngstown
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an old steel town they're still hanging
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in there still patient with President
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Trump they want to see what happens and
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there's one quote in here exactly what
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you say from a guy who talks about the
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president being a fighter a guy who's
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gonna punch back he said he wants the
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world to look at him and say don't mess
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with that guy
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he will get even says this one man
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quoted in the piece so it also reminds
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me a little Joe of what we hear from
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evangelical Christians who say of
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President Trump we didn't elect a saint
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we elected a president so that a lot of
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people are willing to overlook broken
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promises overlooked his personal
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failings that they wouldn't over look
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there's something about this man that
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give people the confidence to hang in
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with them we'll see if that continues
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into the 2020 election interesting to
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Youngstown Ohio is about half
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african-american so it's not just those
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white working-class workers that we hear
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so much about in a lot of these pieces
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but they're 45 percent or so of the
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population in Youngstown is African
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American so I'd be interested to see
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where they stand on the president at
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this point as well so you know Mike it's
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interesting really brings up evangelical
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voters obviously so many evangelical
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leaders are just ranked hypocrites if
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you take what they said about Bill
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Clinton in 1998 1999 2000 and now what
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they're saying about Donald Trump in
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2000 17 18 19 they are ranked hypocrites
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but people in the pews do look at the
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Supreme Court they look at federal
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judges which for evangelical Christians
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has been one of the driving issues over
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the past two three decades and they
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hated Republican presidents that got
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elected and ended up putting moderates
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in there so let's move Yves van Jellicle
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voters over to the side and say well
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maybe we can explain that away through
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abortion and other court rulings that
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are sure to be coming in the next decade
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or so I end before but with these
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workers in Youngstown Ohio we have seen
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it time and again people voting against
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their economic self-interest the the
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manufacturing jobs in Youngstown are not
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coming back the the other jobs that
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they're the mining jobs that Donald
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Trump is talking about not only are they
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not coming back they're going away the
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few high-profile examples whether it's
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carrier or Ford that donal even Foxconn
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that donald trump talked about they've
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all blown up in his face the question is
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will those voters discover that this
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that this billionaire that this
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plutocrat is nothing more than the short
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fat little man behind the curtain in The
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Wizard of Oz I mean you know yeah you
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did this frightening Wizard of Oz and
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then there was just this short fat guy
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shuffling around pushing buttons will
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they learn that in time for the 2020
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campaign or does Donald Trump skate to
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re-election well I don't know the answer
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to that Joe I do know that the quote
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that Willie referred to in Tripp
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Gabriel's New York Times piece today was
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uttered by a guy with the name of
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Darrell Frank's he's a retired - and die
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maker from Youngstown Ohio
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he was once a Democrat he's now a
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Republican and Darrell Franks in
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Youngstown Ohio is not alone you can
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find a Darrell Franks in central
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Massachusetts you can find a lot of
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Darrell Franks in places like Michigan
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Ohio Indiana throughout the Midwest and
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on both coasts so the question is will
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Lake will they catch up to reality that
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is an unanswerable question right now
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Joe because the vast majority of
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Americans guess what they have not read
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the Muller report they don't get up
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every day and and think about Bill bar
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in the US District Court ruling and
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things like that they have their own
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lives they have their own children their
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own families their own livelihoods and
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they have a lot of them then highly
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susceptible to the show to the
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entertainment factor of Donald Trump and
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a lot of them like the language that he
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employs they like the swagger they like
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the fake tough-guy performance up on
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stage and whether he'll be unmasked by
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Joe Biden or anybody else that remains
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to be seen but I think it's a good bet
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that at some point he will be unmasked
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because he is a phony tough guy well he
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where he will be unmasked the question
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is when Mika and you know Democrats play
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into his hand the media play into his
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hand those those people that Mike's
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talking about they love seeing Democrats
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pulling their hair out and being
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frustrated by Donald Trump's
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abnormal behavior abhorrent behavior
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they love watching people like us in the
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media attack and criticize Donald Trump
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and pulling our hair out over his
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breaching of constitutional norms they
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obviously don't care about
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constitutional norms they don't care
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about Madisonian democracy they don't
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care about checks and balances they
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don't care that the Attorney General of
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the United States has lied and committed
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perjury under oath they don't care that
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Donald Trump has attacked federal judges
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and the Independence of the federal
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judiciary they don't care that Donald
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Trump has lied in light on Air Force One
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and an obstructed justice possibly ten
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times of course they don't care all
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right they don't you can't make them
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care you just can't make them care that
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means Democrats are going or a
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Republican they're gonna have to beat
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Donald Trump on the field that matters
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to these people and that is jobs jobs
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jobs that's all it's about for millions
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of Americans and you can't blame
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millions of Americans who are struggling
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paycheck to paycheck to stay in their
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home to pay their rent to be able to
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afford maybe to send one of their
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children off to college mm-hmm so that
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but there is political discipline that's
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needed as well they can focus on the
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issues and be aggressive about the
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issues but honestly the democratic freak
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out is is the part where repair Trump
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will feed into that and take advantage
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of that chaos so again you know speaking
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with Speaker of the House yesterday that
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discipline moving forward and really
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having the systems work check balance
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get the information move forward but
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then watch what the Republicans do
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you've got one Republican right now who
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is broke ranks one Republican who
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finally has stepped up and realized that
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perhaps the truth and the rule of law is
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more important than identity politics of
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the moment there might be more thanks
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