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today i'll be comparing the views
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between those who believe women can be
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pastors
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and those who do not hello everyone
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welcome to theology 101 my name is
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andrew kim and this channel exists to
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teach christian doctrine in everyday
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language
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today i'm starting a new series that
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will compare differing views within
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christianity
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now i want to be clear that all the
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views i'll be talking about
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are within the realm of orthodoxy the
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disagreements i'll be highlighting
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have to do with secondary issues not the
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primary foundational issues of the
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christian faith these are things that
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brothers and sisters in christ might
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disagree upon
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but it's not something that we should
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call someone else a heretic over
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also the purpose of this series is not
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to declare a winner but is to inform you
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so that you would understand that
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differing views within christianity
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my desire is that christians will stop
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unfairly criticizing people who have
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different views in them
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so my hope is to fairly portray these
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two views
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over the issue i'm going to be
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highlighting and that is the issue of
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woman pastors
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the two views are called egalitarianism
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and complementarianism egalitarianism is
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a view that men and women are not only
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equal before god
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but they are also equal in their
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function and authority
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both at home and in the church now i
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want to be clear that egalitarianism
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does not deny gender differences but
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they believe that these differences
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should not allow a hierarchy of
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authority and structure within the home
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and the church complementarianism
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views that men and women are equal
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before god but
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complement one another in their roles
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and functions in the home and church
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both positions affirm that men and women
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are equally valuable before god but they
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differ when it comes to the distinct
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roles and functions associated with each
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gender now that i have a clear
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understanding of each view
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let the debate begin there are so many
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passages that talks about male
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headship in the bible look at first
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corinthians chapter 14 verses 33-34
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the woman should keep silent in the
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churches for they are not permitted to
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speak
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but should be in submission as the law
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also says
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then look at first timothy chapter 2
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verses 12. i do not permit a woman to
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teach or to exercise authority over a
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man
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rather she is to remain quiet paul even
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says that women should submit to their
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own husbands in ephesians chapter 5
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verses 22 to 24.
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why submit to your own husbands as to
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the lord for the husband is the head of
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the wife even as christ is ahead of the
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church
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his body and is himself its savior now
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as the church
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submits to christ so also wives should
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submit in everything to their husbands
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from a plane reading a scripture it
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seems clear
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that women should submit to men in the
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home and in the church
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you're right in thinking that the plain
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reading of scripture seems to support
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your view
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but we have to remember the context of
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these passages if you notice several of
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these passages are preceded or followed
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by passages that describe
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slaves submitting to their masters so to
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argue that the hierarchical structure
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portrayed in these passages should be
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applied today is very troublesome
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because you would agree that we should
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have slavery today even though there are
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slavery in the bible and you would agree
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that the only reason why there's
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commandments regarding slavery in the
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bible is because of the historical
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context of his time
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but that is not something that we should
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continue to do today this is what i also
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believe when it comes to patriarchy
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the commandments were given in a
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specific context regarding the
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patriarchal system that was there
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but that system shouldn't continue today
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to be clear slave in the new testament
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is not the same as african chattel
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slavery
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slavery in the new testament was
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indentured servitude and it was based
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not on race
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but on money so you can't say that the
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slavery in the bible is the same as
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modern day slavery or that god even
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approves of slavery right
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but christians today will still agree
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that we shouldn't continue even the
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slavery that was portrayed in the bible
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even if it wasn't based on rape and the
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fact that god doesn't
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explicitly forbid slavery doesn't mean
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that we should continue it
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right you agree that god is speaking in
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a specific historical
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context and he accommodates his message
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to a people at a certain time
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but he also gives a glimpse of his
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kingdom standard which says that slaves
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and masters
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are to be equal ideally god does the
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same thing for patriarchy he also gives
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a glimpse of his kingdom standard where
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men and women will be
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equal ideally this is why paul says this
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in galatians chapter 3 verse 28 there is
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neither jew nor greek there is neither
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slave nor free
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there is no male and female for you are
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all one in christ
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jesus although god does not explicitly
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condemn slavery and patriarchy
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he does set a trajectory where the
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church is to eventually realize that
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they should get rid of those structures
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and make a structure where all men and
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women
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master and slaves are equal the problem
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with you comparing slavery to patriarchy
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is that
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slavery was never rooted in divine order
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biblical authors do say that male
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headship is rooted in his design
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paul mentions this in 1st timothy
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chapter 2 verses 12-13
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when he gives a reason on why women
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shouldn't preach he doesn't mention
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anything about his historical context he
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actually says it has to do with how
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god created men and women from the very
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beginning paul says i do not permit a
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woman
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to teach or to exercise authority over a
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man rather she is to remain
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quiet for adam was formed first
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then eve because this is a creation
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design issue
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this cannot be dismissed simply based on
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the historical context of the time this
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is why
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even before paul's time levitical
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priests were all male
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this is why jesus 12 apostles were all
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male
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there is a consistent pattern where god
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establishes
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male authority and headship in the
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church and even
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in the home if you look at 1st timothy
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chapter 2 and titus 1 the qualifications
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of an elder are that they are to be men
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first of all there's no mention of
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subordination in the creation account
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until you get to genesis chapter 3. in
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genesis chapter 3 verse 16 where god
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outlines his punishment for woman that
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is where you see
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men have authority over women also in
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that context god is not talking about
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the church he's talking about
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the context of marriage also this
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passage is not a commandment but it's a
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prophecy which eventually gets fulfilled
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over time now you mentioned that all the
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levitical priests were male
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but when you get to the new testament
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you see that women are allowed to become
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priests even in the old testament you
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see that women can hold positions of
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authority
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a king's wife had authority over the
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male slaves right moses's sister miriam
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was considered a prophetess
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and she even wrote part of scripture her
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song is recorded in there
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deborah was a prophetess as well as
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halda isaiah's wife and anna in the new
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testament you even see that priscilla
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teaches apollos how to teach the bible
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although paul says that woman shouldn't
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teach he does allow them to publicly
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pray and prophesy
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clearly paul isn't given this blanket
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prohibition that women are not allowed
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to
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say anything in the church or exercise
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any type of authority
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he simply forbids women to disturb the
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worship service which was apparently
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what was going on in first corinthians
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so let me ask you
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are you saying that christian men should
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never listen to any christian woman
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teach the bible
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now some people on my cat might say that
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women should never teach the bible to
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men in any circumstances
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but i would say that the majority don't
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feel that way many people in my camp do
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believe that women can teach the bible
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just in certain contexts but what we all
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agree upon
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is that women shouldn't hold a position
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of authority in the church
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this means that women can still practice
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and exercise
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their spiritual gifts of teaching they
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just have to do it under the leadership
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and authority of
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male elders or male pastors so we
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wouldn't prohibit them from writing
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theology
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or teaching bible studies or even
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preaching from the pulpits
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as long as they're under the authority
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of male elders and so our view says that
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women
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cannot hold a certain position in the
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church but it doesn't prohibit them from
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practicing their spiritual gifts now the
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problem with your view is that you seem
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to pick and choose which passages you
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want to apply for today which seems
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problematic when a passage doesn't fit
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your view then you explain away
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talking about historical context and i
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feel like this undermines the authority
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of scripture
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well you also pick and choose by the way
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why is it that women are forbidden from
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position of
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authority but they are allowed to speak
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nowhere does the bible spell out the
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distinction between
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teaching and speaking and between leader
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and pastor it seems like you are
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splitting 1st timothy chapter 2 verse
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12.
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the part of the verse that talks about
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women shouldn't speak you say that
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only fits the historical context and
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that women can teach
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but then the part that says that women
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shouldn't hold position of authority you
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said that should still be applied today
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aren't you also picking and choosing
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what to apply for today if you respect
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the authority of scripture then why
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don't you force women to cover their
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head during worship
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why don't you prohibit women from
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wearing jewelry why don't you make women
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completely silent the church
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you say that all of these commandments
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don't apply today because they only fit
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a certain historical context and that is
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exactly what i'm saying about male
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headship
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listen we don't disagree on the bible
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having authority i also respect the
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bible
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and both of us seem to pick and choose
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at least in our opinion certain passages
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to apply today
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we disagree with how to apply the bible
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now what view did you find more
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convincing leave a comment below and let
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me know
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please remember to be respectful because
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we are all brothers and sisters in
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christ
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and we're all within the realm of
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orthodoxy if you found this video
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helpful please like the video and share
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it with a friend
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until next time see you
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