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Pulling Money Out of 401k - For Real Estate - YouTube
Channel: Kris Krohn
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Should you pull money out of your 401k
for real estate? Hmm.. Let me think about
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it. This is a real estate channel and I
believe in real estate, I don't know what
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I'm really going to say but it's all coming
your way right now.
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Friends, today we are hoping to end the
great debate on 401k's.
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Should you use them to invest in real
estate? Should you pull your money out?
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How do you pull your money out and you
know what? Honestly, it can be a little
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complicated so we've brought our friend
Mr. whiteboard today and of course,
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Steven Michael Miller who's going to help
lay down the law on exactly how this
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goes. - Absolutely. - So get pumped and get
excited. So today, Steven, 401k's,
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first of all, can you invest in real
estate by pulling money out of it and
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can you invest it by not pulling your
money out?
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- Yeah, the reality is, I don't think
that this is really a debate of should I
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or shouldn't I, there are cases where you
should and there are cases where you
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shouldn't and we're going to talk about
I think both of those right now and kind
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of just get into some of the details of
how your 401k can help you invest in
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more real estate. - And you need to
understand that yes, you can invest in
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real estate with your 401k, you can also
invest in real estate by pulling your
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money out and the great debate of should
you or shouldn't you really comes down
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to one simple mathematical equation.. Can
you do better in the real estate market
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than you can do in the 401k market?
And hands down on our last 3,500 homes,
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nearly a billion dollars in real estate,
the answer is definitively yes, you can
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outpace the market because the 401k
markets will go up and down and
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sometimes you're winning you're up 20%,
sometimes you're down 50% as we look at
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the really big swings but over time, over
20 years, do you know what it really
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averages out to? 3% to 4% so the
question is, can real estate do better
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than 3 or 4%, Steven? - Yeah, absolutely can.
We've been talking about this for years
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not only talking about it, we've been
showing people exactly how to invest
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their money that they currently have in
a 401k in the proper real estate so
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let's talk about first of all, the
yes, right. When do we pull money
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out of a 401k to invest in real estate?
There are some great things that we
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want to mention here. First of all, when
you're pulling money out of a 401k, it's
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probably because you don't have enough
in there to buy a home outright. What
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does that mean? - Well, you know, when you
use a 401k, you can actually pull money
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out and then
you can either buy real estate with
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loans or you can buy it paid off free
and clear outright and so this whole
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first option here, we're going to assume
that you have $100,000 in a 401k, it's
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just a round number. Your number will be
higher or it will be lower but I think
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you're going to understand the principle
really well. So on this side, we're going
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to assume that yeah, we're pulling money
out and then we're going to come over here
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later, I'm going to say, how would you
invest in real estate without taking it
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out of the 401k?
So assuming $100,000 and you want to
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pull it out, here are the first couple things
that you need to be aware of.. Real estate,
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we're going to show you on this side how
you can make 20% a year on your money,
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on this side, we're going to show you how
you can make 10% while still leaving it
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in the 401k and the reason why we're
getting 20% over here is because we're
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going to buy real estate with leverage,
we're going to buy real estate with
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taking the money out of the 401k, we're
going to go to banks, we're going to put 20%
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down and then we're going to make roughly
15% 20% or more percent a year on our
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money and the two things that you need
to be aware of is that when you pull
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money out of a 401k, there's two things
that are going to happen. - Right there. - Go
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ahead. - Oh. They're going to smack your hand.
They're going to do everything that
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they can to make sure that you don't
pull your money out of your 401k. Those
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two things are first of all, penalties.
You're going to get about a 10% penalty
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when you pull your money out of your
401k, right. That penalty can hurt.
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Most people don't like losing 10%
of their portfolio. - But that's
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one perception. I actually call it a cost
of business because it's unavoidable.
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What this hundred thousand now becomes
$90,000 because $10,000
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is going to go as a
penalty and you know what? That's enough
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for some people to say, lose $10,000?!
What a bad mistake. Friends, don't
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forget that we are stepping out of
making 3% to 4% on our
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money and stepping into making 10%,
15%, or 20% on our money
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and let me ask you, Steven.. Is a 10%
penalty worth it in order to
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have your money growing at many times
the pace. - Oh, absolutely. It's not just
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worth it, it's something that you
definitely should be doing. - By the way,
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look forward to your penalty, be excited
to finally get it out of the beasts
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hands and get it into your hands where
you are in control. The second thing that
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you need
to be aware of is that when you pull the
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money out, it's a taxable event under this
scenario and you're going to have to pay
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taxes and if you're pulling out, now the
$90,000, it's going to add
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$90,000 to your income
for the year, it's going to put you up into
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a higher tax bracket. Our team will
actually show you how to pull some out
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maybe this year, next year, depending on
what month you're in and we'll figure
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out the best way to do it but you're
going to have to pay taxes.
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Steven, regardless of when they take that
money out, it doesn't matter what age
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they ever get to, will they have to pay
taxes? - Oh, you're always going to have
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to pay taxes even in a 401k, those funds
are just tax deferred so at some point,
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you're absolutely going to have to pay
taxes, just be aware of that and if you
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want to do better than what your 401k is
doing, which by the way, is never going to
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retire you, okay, we we've talked about
this before then you want to do other
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things in real estates the best thing to
do. - So let's say for this example that we
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have 10% going to penalties and 20%
going to taxes and there's 70% left over,
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that would be $70,000 and let's say that
you use that to purchase two properties.
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Well these two properties are now free
of the 401k, they're now producing, let's
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just say that each one is producing $400
a month of cash flow so for the first
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time in your life, you're 401k was
paying you nothing, now it's paying you
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$800 a month. Let's assume you bought
those properties with some equity, now
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all the sudden you have recuperated your
taxes and penalties there, you've got
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$800 a month and guess what we want to
do with these two properties in time.
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- You're to turn those into more. - We're
going to multiply them like rabbits, we want two
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to become four, four to become eight,
eight to become a lot of properties and
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now the sudden, you're taking back
financial control of your life and all
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those hard-earned saving dollars in your
401k can mean something for you now and
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they mean something every single month.
$800 a month for a lot of people, an
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extra $10,000 a year, that's
a really big deal. $10,000 a
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year is a lot to find, it you can fund a
lot of things or vacations or trips or
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or things that you've wanted to do that
your 401k has been getting in the way of.
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So this is one option and now I want to
talk about well, how could I have my 401k
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helped me invest, Steven, in real estate and
even avoid the penalties and taxes?
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So I want to talk right now, we're
talking to the uber conservatives and I
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know we've got people here on our
channel that are wondering, okay
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look, this all sounds fine and good but
as much as you guys say it, I still don't
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want to pay my penalties and I still
don't want to pay the taxes and I want
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to keep my growth inside of that 401k
or inside of that IRA and that's where
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this strategy may come in useful
for you. In this scenario, you'll need to
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use and have enough in there to purchase
an entire property. So in this option,
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where you're saying, no, I don't want to
pull my money out of a 401k or IRA, I
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actually want to keep it in there and
still invest it in real estate which by
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the way, if you understand 401k's
and IRA's, they're typically tied to
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the markets, right. So they go up and down
with the market as the market goes up
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and down.
Real estate though is something that can
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be done inside of a 401k and IRA, you can
actually do what's called self-directing.
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Now self-directing just means you become
the custodian, you become the person that
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has control over your IRA or 401k. You
can now with that control, go off and buy
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paid off real estate. - Now there are
restrictions if you leave it in the 401k.
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You cannot buy leveraged real estate,
instead, you can really generally only
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purchase paid off free and clear real
estate and with this hundred thousand
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dollar self-directed, we can take you to
markets where you can buy a hundred
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thousand dollar house and on this
scenario because it's paid off, we're not
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using leverage so instead of maybe
making 20% a year, we're now maybe
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making 10% a year but I want to
ask, is 10% more than 3% or
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4%? - Absolutely. - It's more than
3% or 4%, I have a paid off
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piece of property. Let's say that after
all my expenses that this property is
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producing ironically $800 a month so
I either own a paid off property
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conservatively doing 800 a month,
I own two properties in this scenario
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and the question is, Steven, should I
self direct my 401k or should I take the
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taxes and penalties and buy real estate
and the question is, which one's better?
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- Yeah, the other day, I really think it
comes down to a couple different things.
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Number one, personal preference. Number
two, what's your risk tolerance?
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Those two things I think are the biggest
factors in what you're going to do or do
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I have enough to pull out and
this way or do I want to keep it in
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here and just grow it inside? - Yeah and
I'm going to tell you right now, it
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really also comes down to your goals.
If you're saying, wow, I feel so far
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away from what I need for retirement and
I need to focus on producing a powerful
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residual income, hands down, this is going
to be the option for you because we want
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to take two homes and turn them into
many homes. When you buy a paid off home,
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what you're doing is not just earning 10%
instead of 20% but you're also slowing
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down your growth because you have one
property growing in the market instead
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of two properties growing in the market
and ultimately, this is going to be a
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slower path to getting where you want to
go if so that makes this a very
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appropriate path if you're close to
retirement and you actually say, I
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actually have a lot of what I need. I
looked at my social security, I looked at
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the other investments and I looked at
this and I'm adding it all up and hands
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down, I've got enough money for
retirement by choosing this path. If
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you're far away from retirement,
you're probably going to want to look
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more of this direction but the bottom
line is, instead of making 3% or 4%
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your 401k, there are some
different options that you have of how
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you can go out there and start investing
successfully in real estate. If you want
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to get a more in-depth and a
more accurate analysis of what you want
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to do, then you have a chance to talk
with me, Steven and the rest of our team.
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Just go ahead and click this link in the
top corner and we're going to reach out to
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you and we'll actually walk you through
your very specific options so even if
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you only have 10,000 or 20,000 and a 401k or
if you have a half a million dollars in
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a 401k or other assets, we'll be able to
do a comparison analysis of equity in a
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home or other assets and again, if you
have very little or no assets, that's our
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specialty because we'll go into
partnering and lease options and some of
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our other creative strategies because
bottom line is, no matter how old you are,
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no matter how young you are, now is the
time to get out there, there's a way for
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you to invest successfully in real
estate. If you want some help navigating
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how to maneuver those 401k's, how to use
them, should you self-direct, should you
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just pull it out and pay the taxes and
penalties that cost a business go ahead
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and click up here, contact my team, reach
out and we'll start getting you hands-on
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information on what it would look like
and exactly the kind of properties that
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you can step into right.
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