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NPR's Terry Gross Has a Sick Burn for Bill O'Reilly Walking Out on Their Fresh Air Interview - YouTube
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-Thank you so much
for coming on the show.
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Is it odd for you
to be interviewed by people?
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-Well, it's odd
to be interviewed visibly,
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because I have the superpower
of invisibility on the radio...
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-You do.
-...and you lose it on TV.
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-Yeah.
Because I got the --
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I was honored.
I got to be interviewed by you.
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And, also, Questlove, as well.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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It was so much fun,
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but you don't see you
in the interview.
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I went into a phone booth --
that was what I remember --
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and they shut the door,
and I put headphones on,
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and you go, "Hey, Jimmy."
I go...
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[ Laughter ]
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"Hey -- Hey, Terry.
How's it going?
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Is this okay?"
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I thought
I was being interrogated.
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But it was good.
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It was a dark room,
and where were you?
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I was in New York.
Were you in New York?
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-I'm in a studio
in Philadelphia,
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and there's a big window
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in which you can see
onto the street,
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but I like to be
in a dark room...
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-Yeah.
-...listening to the guest.
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-Yeah.
-So I close the shades,
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I dim the lights, and I listen.
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-Is that the magic of it?
Is that why it's so good?
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-Well, you know --
-It's a great --
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I mean, you've got --
-You can get really personal
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when you're not being
face-to-face sometimes.
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You know, it's like pure --
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The person's, like,
going right into my ears.
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-Yeah.
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-And, also,
I get to look at my notes.
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Do you use notes?
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-Yeah, sure.
I mean, I have them.
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Yes, I do have them, yeah.
-I can't work without them.
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I always have notes,
and I always feel like,
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if I have notes,
and I'm looking at my notes,
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and I'm breaking
eye contact with the guest,
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the guest thinks
I'm not paying attention,
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which isn't true,
but they don't know that.
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-That's right.
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-So it's nice
when I'm invisible.
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I can have them in my ears
and look at my notes
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and everything's good.
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-And you --
Gosh, you're a pro.
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I mean, look --
this photo here.
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This is -- you interviewed
Bruce Springsteen.
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So you read his book
just to get some notes on Bruce
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when you interview him.
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Look at how much work --
Look at this poor book.
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[ Laughter ]
I mean, you --
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Look at how many things
are dog-eared and notes and --
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-What I do is,
I dog-ear each page
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that I want
to remember something on,
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and I circle
what I want to remember
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and then type notes
based on what I've circled.
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-How great is that?
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So, you've been doing this
for 30 years?
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-Nationally, and then
longer than that locally.
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-Wow.
Let's talk about something
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that's not "Fresh Air."
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I want to know about
your husband.
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'Cause he's a jazz critic.
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-He's a jazz critic
who's written for a lot
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of publications, several books.
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And I met him at a record store.
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A mutual friend of ours worked
at the same record store he did,
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which was on the University
of Pennsylvania campus.
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And it was just
a few blocks away
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from where
the radio station used to be.
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So I'd go in there
to buy records,
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and I knew that he had
a huge record collection,
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and this was in the '70s,
so it was, like, all vinyl.
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It wasn't a question of like,
"Is it CD or vinyl or digital?"
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-Yeah, or cassettes.
it's nothing but --
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Do you remember
the name of the store?
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-It was a small chain
called Listening Booth.
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-Oh, okay.
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-Anyway, so I thought,
you know --
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The show was then local, three
hours a day, five days a week.
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I had a lot of time to fill.
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-Wow!
That's a lot of time to fill.
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-I mean, this interview here,
that we're doing,
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this is, seriously --
-Six minutes, right?
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-Six minutes, yeah.
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Three hours?
No way, man.
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-So I had regular features,
so I thought,
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"Wouldn't it be great
if I asked Francis
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to do a regular feature in which
he played something very rare,
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something out of print,
a jazz recording,
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that only he would have?"
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And he'd write a few words
and say a few words about it.
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So he wrote me this script.
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It was so beautifully written.
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His use of language was so great
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that I started
falling in love with him,
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and his writing,
and his taste in music
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all at the same.
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-But now you can't fire him.
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If you replace him
for three hours, you go,
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"Well, he's now my boyfriend."
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-And I didn't want to tell
anybody at the station, either,
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because I thought bad idea
to have a relationship
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with somebody
you're working with, you know?
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-But you fell in love.
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-Yeah, well, what can you do?
-Yeah, what can you do?
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-So, eventually, people knew,
and it was all okay.
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-Oh, my gosh.
I love that.
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We do a thing on our show,
some of the writers,
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we do a night
of Knicks and jazz,
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where we go see a Knick game,
and then we go see some jazz.
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But you guys should pal around
with us, if you're around.
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-Oh, thank you.
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-Yeah, we'd love to have you.
It's fun.
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One night, we did Knicks
and jazz and jazz.
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We went to --
-Wow.
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That sounds likes
when Louis CK
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eats a meal and then eats
another meal on your show.
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[ Laughter ]
-Exactly.
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It's almost too much,
but it wasn't.
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It was just enough.
It was great.
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But anyways, you're more
than welcome to come.
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And I want to know,
do you have any stories
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where an interview
just didn't go well?
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-Oh, yeah.
I mean that happens,
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and people have
walked out on me, too.
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-Have walked out on you?
-Most famously --
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-But they're not
even there with you.
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[ Laughter ]
-No, that's the thing.
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-That's impossible.
It's a magic act.
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You can't chase them
down the hall
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and grab them and bring them
back in when it's remote.
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So, like, one example --
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most famously,
Bill O'Reilly walked out on me.
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He accused me --
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I asked him
a few challenging questions
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about whether
he used the microphone
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to settle scores
or to get even with people.
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Before I was even
done with the question,
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he accused me of throwing every
defamation in the book at him,
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and then made
a little speech about,
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"This is NPR.
I know what this is.
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I know what you're doing.
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30 minutes of defamation."
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And then he said,
"If you think that's --"
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He said, "If you think
that's fair, Terry,
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you should
get out of this business."
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And I'm thinking,
"One of us still has a program."
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[ Laughter, cheers, applause ]
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鈾櫔鈾櫔
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-There you go.
That's how you do it.
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That's pretty good.
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Very good.
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I love that.
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Terry Gross!
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You can catch "Fresh Air,"
daily, on NPR,
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or check out the podcast!
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