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- [Linus] Just a few
(trap music)
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short weeks ago, we got a firsthand look
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at the latest book in Lord Gaben's Gospel,
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the Valve Steam Deck.
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It's the PC gamers version
of a Nintendo switch,
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except, instead of running
light casual games,
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it can run the latest AAA titles.
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It looks freaking awesome.
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But the thing is,
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while Valve is definitely
pushing the landscape forward,
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when it comes to handheld gaming,
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they are not the only
player in this field,
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and their competition
isn't standing still.
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This right here is the
GPD Win Max 2021 Edition.
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It's the first time
that GPD has ever built
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a Ryzen handheld and it has
eight flipping Zen 2 cores,
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but wait, there's more.
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(gaming console lands on table)
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This is the
(grabs gaming console)
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GPD Win Max 2021 Edition Intel Edition,
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the first GPD Handheld
with Intel Xe Graphics,
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and they're the most powerful
onboard graphics we've seen
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from Intel, yet.
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Man, there are going to be some
interesting stories to tell,
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(upbeat music)
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(music build up)
(music beeps)
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(music drop)
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Plot twist, I'm gonna kick
(trap music)
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things off with the Intel version,
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because this is the first device
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we've ever gotten hands on with,
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with Intel's top of the
line Tiger Lake CPU,
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the Core i7-1195G7,
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(grabs gaming console)
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(gaming console closes)
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and heh, whew,
(puts down gaming console)
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On paper, anyway, it promises
to be an absolute beast.
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It's got four cores,
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eight threads, boosts
up to five gigahertz,
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can be configured to multiple
TDP levels, up to 25 Watts,
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and perhaps, most importantly,
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has 96 Iris Xe compute
units, in its onboard GPU,
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which means it should be
significantly faster than the Ryzen
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4,800U, and who knows,
maybe even competitive
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with the upcoming, RDNA 2
graphics, on the Steam Deck.
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That's what I really want to find out.
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While we've got it open,
this is a perfect opportunity
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to compare the GPD Win Max
2021, against what we know
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about the Steam Deck.
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First and foremost, the CPU and memory
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are both soldered to the main board,
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but that's pretty much a given
in any machine this compact.
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Where they differ is the SSD.
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They both use a standard
M.2 slot, which is great.
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That means if you're
willing to put the work in
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Valve has said that, theoretically,
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the Steam Deck should be upgradable,
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but it should be noted
that this one it will, A,
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be easier to upgrade, and B,
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probably more worthwhile,
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because the Steam Deck uses
a 30 millimeter M.2 slot,
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which up until now I believe,
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only even goes up to one
Terabyte of capacity,
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whereas the GPD Win Max 2021
uses an 80 millimeter M.2,
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which, it looks like you
could only fit a single sided,
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so that's good to know,
which means you could go up
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to four Terabytes at least, presently.
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While we're digging around in here,
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some other notable features
are the dual stereo speakers,
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MicroSD slot,
(taps MicroSD slot)
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the Steam Deck has one of those
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as well for storage
(taps MicroSD slot)
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for expansion, the Intel
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip set,
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as well as a full-sized
gigabit ethernet jack,
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which gives us our first hint
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as to what the real intended use
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of the GPD Win Max is.
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This is more than just a gaming machine,
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which isn't to say that
it's not gaming focused.
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Both valve and GPD have taken
very different approaches
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(taps gaming console)
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To how to handle joysticks.
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If there's one thing we know for sure,
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it's that low-profile joysticks
do have reliability issues,
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that, we as gamers, have
observed over the years.
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So GPD, rather than increase
the profile of the machine
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by having the joysticks
stick up out of it,
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has actually sunk the joysticks
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into the top deck of the laptop,
and then you can see here,
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(closes laptop)
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they take up almost the entire
depth of the machine inside,
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and they've actually had to
build the PCB around them.
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There's no doubt in my
mind that Valve's handheld
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has a better Integrated
Controller, but to GPD's credit,
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these joysticks feel pretty
darn good, for low-profile ones,
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so does the D-pad and the
ABXY buttons, have both
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nice, clicky switches,
(clicks buttons)
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as well as, this is a really
nice touch, secondary printing
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on the legend, with a cross,
circle, square, triangle,
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for PlayStation users,
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because, let's face it,
(clicks buttons)
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you're going to be emulating games.
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(laughs)
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Unfortunately,
(clicks buttons)
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both the shoulder and trigger buttons,
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use the same switches,
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so if you're super into
driving games, or anything
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where you want that
nice, fine analog control
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on your trigger, you're
not going to find it here.
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But it does make up a
lot of that ground in IO.
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So in addition to your ethernet port,
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you've got HDMI 2.0, two USB Type As,
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and, yes, my friends,
Thunderbolt, that means any number
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of docking solutions, and
even external graphics cards,
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which, naturally, we'll be trying later.
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And that's to say nothing
about one of the Win Max 2021s
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biggest undocked benefits,
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the massive 57 Watt Hour battery.
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Now Intel's Tiger Lake chips,
they're pretty power hungry,
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but GPD claims that still good
for up to three hours of use,
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under heavy load, with up to 14 hours
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(closes laptop panel)
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under a light load, of course,
you're gonna wanna configure
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your TDP, and squeeze even
more out of it, right?
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Let's screw this thing back together
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and see if it still works.
(laughs) (puts laptop down)
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Now that we're in windows,
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one last bit of IO
(taps laptop)
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I didn't show you,
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is this cool
(taps laptop)
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toggle switch right here.
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It changes the game pad
into a native mouse mode,
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so that, unlike other handheld devices,
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you don't have to have
a little utility running
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in the System Tray, it
just freaking works,
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so your left shoulder
button is your left click,
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and it actually rebines
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(clicks buttons)
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some of the keys as well.
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So you can see this left
analog stick is WASD.
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So it allows it to work
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in more of like a keyboard-mouse mode,
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if that is, for whatever
reason, what you prefer.
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With some games that could be better.
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One thing I noticed just,
moving the mouse around, though,
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is that, while the 8"
display on the Win Max 2021
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runs at the same 1280x800
resolution the Steam Deck,
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and it's IPS, and actually
gets like, quite, quite bright.
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You can see there's a fair bit of sneering
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as I move the mouse around.
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Can you see that?
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This is not the most responsive
display I've ever seen.
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To be clear, this is not a game breaker,
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it's only a 60 Hertz display,
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so it's not like you're
going to be like, "Oh wow,
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this is just a completely smeary mess."
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or anything like that,
(clicks button)
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but I have seen better.
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(clicks button)
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Moment of truth, DOOM Eternal launch.
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We made it this far last time.
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(clicks button)
(game starting)
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- [Jake] Before?
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- Yeah, we made it to where
the master chief is standing
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on his thing.
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- [Jake] Yeah.
(laughs)
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- [David] So it's not master chief.
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- I know you had to
- [David] Master chef,
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you had to.
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You had to say something.
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- [David] Oh.
- Oh, wow.
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Ah, oh, ooh.
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Oh, had a little, little moment there.
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- [David] Hmm.
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- Lemme flip it into controller mode here.
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(clicks buttons)
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Holy shnikies, this might actually work,
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which shouldn't really be that impressive,
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but, okay,
(clicks buttons)
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I wanna go ba-
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Ooh, ooh, it's definitely got some issues,
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some issues.
(clicks buttons)
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Here we go,
(machines running)
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we've got both machines
configured to their maximum TDP,
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so around 25 Watts, although you can see,
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that according to RivaTuner,
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Intel is actually drawing
significantly more than that
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sometimes, as high as around 35 Watts.
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But the bigger takeaway here,
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is not necessarily, that
Intel is drawing more power,
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but rather that Intel
is actually not managing
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nearly the same frame rate,
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even when it is running smoothly.
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So what are we getting?
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Around 35, 40 FPS, when it's going?
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- [David] Ooh.
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- [Man] Yeah, sometimes
it doesn't go as much.
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Whoa, not only that, but you can see,
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our Intel CPU managed 100 degrees, max.
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URRRRRRHUH.
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Meanwhile, our AMD system,
remember this is with a 4,800U,
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is running at a pretty
consistent 60 plus FPS.
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(clicks buttons)
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And this is at exactly the same settings.
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So all medium, native resolution,
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with motion blur turned off.
(clicks buttons)
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And this is, ooh, this
is way more playable.
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You know though, I am
surprised, at how close
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this performance is to the RDNA 2 graphics
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in the Steam Deck.
(clicks buttons)
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When I compared to
head-to-head and DOOM Eternal
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while I was at Valve's headquarters,
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I found that the Steam
Deck was about 50% faster,
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looking at exactly the
same scene as the AYA NEO.
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So let's go ahead and take the
AYA NEO into the same scene.
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(clicks buttons)
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And check this out.
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We're running at anywhere from around 35,
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(clicks buttons)
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up to around 50 FPS, but
generally in the 40 to 45 range.
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(clicks buttons)
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This is not what I was expecting,
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but we also know that DOOM Eternal
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is not properly optimized
on Intel Xe graphics,
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so let's move on to something else.
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Hopefully in Dirt 5, we're going to see
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a more even competition here.
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The Intel machine managed
to load into the game
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a bit faster, but that's
not particularly meaningful
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(person steps)
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from like, a gaming enjoyment-
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It's down, whoa.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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This is a dead heat.
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Intel looks like they
might be, maybe, maybe,
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like three to 5% ahead
in performance, but it's-
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Or maybe not.
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Holy crap, I don't remember
the last time I saw anything
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be this close,
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AMD versus Intel.
- [David] (indistinct)
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are you?
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- Only the results will
tell us the answer.
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In the meantime, I want
to run the AYA NEO,
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because this is the one
device that I've had a chance
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to run head-to-head
against the Steam Deck.
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So that will, hopefully, give us an idea
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of where the Steam Deck
falls, in all of this,
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obviously, I'd, hmm, rather, be testing
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the Steam deck right now,
but I don't have one.
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Wow, these are close, when we
look at average frame rates,
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they're within about 1% of each other,
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although, I still consider
this a win for Intel,
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since their minimums
didn't dip quite as low,
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though, certainly this isn't as big a win,
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as DOOM Eternal was, for AMD.
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As for the AYA NEO, it's
result, of around 30 FPS,
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seems to suggest that both of our Win Maxs
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(put down gaming console)
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could very well end up
(picks up gaming console)
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within striking distance,
of the Steam Deck.
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But of course, it should be noted,
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that these are both 25 Watt
TDP CPUs, rather than 15 Watts.
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Next up F1 2021, we're
running at native resolution,
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low settings, TAA enabled.
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Man, this is a really good
looking game, even at low.
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Oh wow, Intel is slaying it here.
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The 4,800U and the AMD Win
Max, is already looking like
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it might end up competitive
with the Steam Deck,
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maybe a little bit a bit behind,
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but the Intel machine is running at 80,
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almost 90 plus FPS in some
places, like we could actually,
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probably turn that it's up to medium.
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That is a big difference in performance.
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Woa, that's not even close.
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Wow, Intel's a solid 30%
ahead of AMD on this one.
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Then after that great showing,
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I managed to make it as far
as the prologue cinematic
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in Halo 4, and I got a fatal error
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and the game completely crashed.
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Come on Intel graphics drivers,
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like you guys are launching
a discreet card soon.
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(taps desk)
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You gotta be better than this.
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To be clear, I understand,
there's probably workarounds
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for just about all of this stuff,
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in fact, GPD even quotes
performance numbers
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from DOOM Eternal, on their website,
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that are much better
than what we observed.
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But average users can't be
expected to go find that stuff.
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This is not a great experience.
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Both of them are running
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at well over a hundo FPS here, though.
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We see some dips, very
solid though, very solid.
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Our thumb's ticking two
controllers at the same time,
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would not recommend,
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they call me "sticky man."
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- [Jake] Ugh, no they don't.
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- So this is LittleBigPlanet.
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This is running in a PS3 emulator, RPCS3.
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And on the Intel system, I mean,
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we are getting a solid locked 30 FPS,
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which is what this game runs at.
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But you can see it's got some problems.
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Meanwhile, on the AMD system,
we're getting framed drops.
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It says 29 FPS, I don't believe it.
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This is definitely not
completely running properly,
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but we're getting far
fewer graphical anomalies.
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Although still some.
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Something to bear in mind though,
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is that PlayStation 3 emulation
is already very challenging,
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because of the unconventional architecture
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of the PlayStation 3, and
LittleBigPlanet, in particular,
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is quite demanding.
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- [Jake] Oh, wow,
- Ooh, wow.
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- [Jake] this is 60 FPS.
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- Oh, oh, oh
- [Jake] Oh, oh, oh, oh
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- We got to see through Sumo.
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Check this out.
- [Jake] Oh, oh.
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- [Man] Look at my see-through Sumo here.
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- [Jake] Knocked out baby, I
won, I just clicked A a bunch.
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This is totally playable.
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- Oh for sure, no, this is like, perfect,
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this is totally usable.
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- [Jake] I think this-
- Wait a minute,
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his clothes appeared.
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Yeah, we just unlocked
(clicks buttons)
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the frame rate, so my-
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Ooh wow.
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The game speed
(clears throat)
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is a little different.
(clicks buttons)
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But, assuming that the end
game physics is not tied
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to the frame rate,
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because the developers
(drops laptop on desk)
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are chode.
[773]
(laughs)
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- [Jake] Whoa.
- [Man] this is the web-
[775]
(laughs)
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Wow, my entire character is
- [Jake] Look at the loading
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animation.
- [Man] missing, yeah,
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this is very fast and very broken.
[781]
(laughs)
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I'm at like anywhere from 100 to 120 FPS.
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- [Jake] I'm like 90, but different map,
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but I imagine, that's
probably has to do more
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with the graphics, not the map.
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I guess if you want to play
Tekken 6 it works pretty good.
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- [Man] Yeah, I wouldn't
recommend unlocking
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the frame rate though.
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- [David] Not it.
- It seems a little more
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broken on the Intel one, like I don't have
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that much stuff missing.
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- Yeah, oh, it's definitely more broken
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on the Intel machine.
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But it runs faster.
(clicks button)
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Now, Markbench,
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our benchmark for premiere,
was designed for much more
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powerful systems than these ones,
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but it can still tell us a lot.
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So you can see here, we've
got four separate 4K clips,
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all playing back at the same time.
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And on our Intel system,
it actually handles it,
[820]
and the transitions,
reasonably smoothly, albeit,
[823]
at 1/8 resolution.
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Meanwhile, on the AMD
system, we go from usable,
[831]
but not perfect, to not really usable.
[836]
One thing that's nice about
these, that I didn't mention
[838]
before is, if you want
it, there is a trackpad.
[841]
It's not the greatest experience
ever, but there are times
[843]
when it'll probably come in handy for you.
[846]
All right, let's go ahead
[846]
and start our encoding benchmark now.
[849]
Yeah, I think our poor Intel system
[851]
is just going to get slapped here.
[853]
There it goes, it's just slow.
[855]
Yeah, if it can manage a
victory here, I'll be impressed.
[858]
Wow, this 4K encoding benchmark
[860]
ended up not even being close.
[861]
The Intel machine's been done
[863]
for a solid 20 seconds already,
[865]
and the AMD machine is still
finishing up, even though,
[868]
we started the Intel
machine slightly afterward,
[870]
'cause I misclicked.
[871]
So the big pattern
that's emerging here is,
[873]
Tiger Lake and Xe graphics,
when they work, they're fast,
[877]
and when they don't, it sucks.
[880]
Of course, one of the
key benefits of going
[882]
with the Intel version, is
that you're not necessarily
[885]
married to the onboard graphics.
[886]
Let's go ahead and dock it
[888]
to this Gigabyte EGPU Box here.
[890]
(rubs box)
(taps desk)
[891]
It's got networking, USB,
and of course, an RTX 3080
[894]
graphics card in it.
[896]
Let's see if it just fires up for us here.
[898]
- [Jake] Whoa.
- Look at that.
[899]
(snaps fingers)
Just like that.
[900]
Oh, we're going to need some
drivers, well, look at that.
[902]
(background chatter)
[903]
Jake pre set up the drivers for us.
[905]
(tapping desk with mouse)
[905]
I need a mouse pad.
[906]
Lttstore.com
[909]
(throws mouse pad on desk)
Boom.
[910]
I mean, let's see if it'll
play DOOM Eternal now.
[911]
(laughs)
[913]
How do you like me now?
[914]
It's got this,
- [David] Dun.
[915]
- [Man] It's got this, don't even worry
[917]
about a thing.
- [David] It can't even
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keep the display up.
[920]
(clicks mouse and keyboard)
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- [Man] 'Nother key
benefit of Thunderbolt,
[922]
I don't need my power adapter
(unplugs power adapter)
[923]
anymore, I can just get power
[924]
from the Thunderbolt
connection to my dock.
[927]
Casual 100 plus FPS, DOOM
Eternal, absolutely maxed out.
[931]
It's actually we running at that too.
[932]
(clicks mouse)
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Like this is very smooth.
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CPU is at 83 degrees, in terms of power,
[938]
it's pulling anywhere from
around 27 to 28 Watts.
[942]
So considering that we're
not even touching the
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integrated graphics,
that's pretty impressive.
[947]
Like, just absolutely no stutter
whatsoever, butter smooth.
[951]
Who needs stutter when you've got butter?
[954]
- [David] THPPTPHTPHPHHPH.
[956]
(laughs)
[957]
Now for Dirt 5, we've got
this crank to ultra high,
[959]
we're going to turn on some
ray traced vehicles, shadows.
[962]
Honestly, the car shadows are so soft,
[965]
because of the fact that
the sun's behind the clouds,
[968]
that I'm having a hard time
[970]
telling if they look
better, because they're
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retraced or whatever.
- [David] Hmm, yeah.
[975]
- [Man] Which is probably an
indication that it's working.
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Yeah, this is not a trivial game to run,
[981]
and it's like 55 to 60
FPS the whole time, at 4K.
[987]
I keep watching these car
shadows here, yeah, it looks-
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Now that there are a bit harder,
[993]
that is very, like accurate.
[997]
But something we haven't
talked about up until now, is,
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what is the GPD Win Max even
like to use as a controller?
[1004]
Right now, great.
[1006]
Everything feels accurate and responsive,
[1008]
the switches are all nice and clicky.
[1011]
But,
(sighs)
[1012]
I also have the device resting on a table
[1014]
in front of me.
[1016]
If I had to actually hold
it up, it's pretty heavy,
[1020]
and the ergonomics are far from perfect.
[1022]
Compared to most controllers,
[1024]
where you're, kinda
cradling them like this,
[1026]
and your thumbs have this
great degree of movement.
[1029]
On the Win Max they're
kind of stuck like this.
[1034]
And it kinda brings you're
elbows in sort of funny.
[1037]
So the design is only
going to appeal to people
[1039]
who want a gaming device
that is also useful
[1041]
for other things, because
even though the keyboard,
[1044]
quite frankly, sucks for typing,
it's obviously a lot better
[1047]
for typing, than just
[1049]
not having one
(person steps)
[1050]
(laughs)
at all.
[1052]
What we can't fault is the performance.
[1054]
Despite the fact that neither
of the 2021 Edition Win Maxs
[1058]
have RDNA 2 graphics, and not to mention,
[1060]
that they're only running
DDR4, rather than DDR5,
[1064]
they both get surprisingly close,
[1066]
to where we're expecting the
Steam Deck to eventually land.
[1070]
So as long as you don't find
the form factor off-putting,
[1072]
you may not have to wait,
although, you will definitely
[1075]
have to pay a significantly
higher price, chshshsh.
[1079]
What you won't have to pay
for is, our sponsor, unless
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[1083]
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[1117]
(upbeat music) If you
guys enjoyed this video,
[1119]
check out our first
impressions of the Steam Deck,
[1121]
or maybe, the full review of the AYA NEO.
[1123]
Man, this handheld console space,
[1127]
is really heating up right now.
[1128]
And that's not just
joking about how the Intel
[1130]
(indistinct) hot.
- [Jake] Oh.
[1131]
- Ay, got 'em.
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