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Please be seated.
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Hello, Your Honor.
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Hello.
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This is the case of<i>
Chappell v. Todd, Cullins.</i>
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Thank you Jerome.
Good day everyone.
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AUDIENCE: Good day.
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Ms. Chappell, you say the
defendant, Mr. Todd,
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is without a doubt
your daughter Walecia's
biological father.
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You say the only
reason he denies her
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is because his
fiance, Ms. Cullins,
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doesn't want him in your life.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Now, you are suing
Mr. Todd for $2,475
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for babysitting expenses
and for lost wages.
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Yes, ma'am. I mean,
yes, Your Honor.
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All right, Mr. Todd, you
state there's no chance
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that the child in
question is your daughter.
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You say that Ms. Chappell
will stop at nothing
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to get you back,
even if it means
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pinning a child on you
that isn't yours.
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True, Your Honor.
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You and your fiance
are counter-suing
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in the amount of $375
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for car windows you claim
the plaintiff destroyed.
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So, Ms. Chappell,
why do you feel
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you are owed $2,475
for these expenses?
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Because I always had
a job, Your Honor,
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and he was babysitting
the baby for me.
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And, after he didn't
babysit anymore,
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I had to start
paying $75 a week
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for babysitting fees
and lost wages,
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and I didn't have a babysitter
and I couldn't keep up
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with the babysitting fees,
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so I had to quit my job, and
I don't have a job anymore.
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Here's my papers right here.
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(AUDIENCE GROANS)
[88]
Jerome, will you hand
me those please?
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TODD: I have never watched
her baby, Your Honor.
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I don't even know
when she had a job.
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I ain't never saw her...
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And you've never
watched Walecia?
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I never watched Walecia.
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Your Honor, he has.
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I don't even have a
place to stay myself,
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so how Imma watch
somebody else?
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At his cousin's house.
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(ALL ARGUING)
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He has dropped
me off at...
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She isn't right.
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He was watching the baby.
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All right, just a minute,
just a minute.
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You two were in a
sexual relationship.
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Right?
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Right, yes.
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It wasn't no relationship.
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It wasn't a relationship?
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No.
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You were just having sex?
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Just having sex.
[121]
If you were having sex
and she got pregnant,
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were you using
protection every time?
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No... When we met I was
pregnant, Your Honor.
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We never used...
We never used...
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Yeah, when we met
she was pregnant.
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We never used condoms.
[132]
She was already
pregnant with her baby.
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But he accepted me
with me and my baby.
[134]
But, but...
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With someone else's baby.
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All right, all right.
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Why is it you doubt that
Walecia is your child?
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Because at the time
she was messing around
with other guys,
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and, by me being young,
and just doing crazy stuff
[150]
I go and mess with her
at the same time, too.
[153]
So, she was messing with
mens all at one time.
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But this wasn't never my girl.
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I was in a relationship
with someone at that time.
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Yeah.
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And she was messing around,
too. So, she fell in love...
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So, what you're saying
it was an understanding
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that you all had sex,
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unprotected sex,
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but that you also were having
sex with other people.
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It went on for a year.
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She was having sex
with others. I had
a girl at that time.
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I was in love. I had my girl.
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You are right.
Yes, Your Honor.
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She, she, she... Yeah, but
I still had a main girl.
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Yeah, I was messing with her.
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So, Ms. Chappell,
do you admit
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that you were having
sex with other people
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in addition to Mr. Todd during
the window of conception?
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No, Your Honor.
[193]
She a liar.
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She was not even in the
picture, Your Honor.
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So, she has nothing
to do with this.
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Which picture that was?
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2011, I was pregnant with
someone else's baby.
[201]
Picture that was?
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Our baby was already here
when they met, Your Honor.
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(ALL SHOUTING)
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JEROME: Listen! Quiet!
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JUDGE LAKE:
All right, all right!
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Ms. Cullins, Mr. Todd, you
also have a counter-claim.
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Yes.
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You are asking for $375?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Uh, for car windows, you say
the plaintiff destroyed.
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Please explain to me
the basis of that.
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On a particular day, I
had to drop Mr. Todd off
to pick up his phone.
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Lies.
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COLLINS: Actually,
Ms. Chappell stole his phone.
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Stole my phone.
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A phone that she purchased.
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As I dropped
him off...
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I bought him a phone,
Your Honor.
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Let me finish.
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Ms. Chappell approached me and
bust my window out of my car.
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I called the police
on the scene...
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No. Lies.
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And I have proof
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that she bust out my
windows on my car.
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She ran. I have a receipt
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when I had to
get my car fixed.
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And I have proof, and
a police report that
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she bust my windows out.
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Do you have that
evidence here today?
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I do, ma'am.
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No.
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I'd like to see it
please, thank you.
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JUDGE LAKE: This is
an Incident Report
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which says there was damage
to private property, vehicle.
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And I do have the receipt,
too, Your Honor.
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Windows were damaged.
I'd like to see the
receipt too, please.
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This is proof, too.
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This is the receipt
for the window repair.
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Total, $375.
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Yes, Your Honor. That's...
Ms. Chappell did.
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Ms. Chappell, did you bust
the windows out her car?
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Yes, ma'am, I did.
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(AUDIENCE GASPS)
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You did?
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Because she came at me,
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and we had an altercation.
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She came all the way
from Four Seasons.
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It's about Walter.
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He was already out
there in the apartment
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where we was.
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Not about how
I approach her...
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She thought we was together...
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...it's about Mr. Todd.
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...so she came
where we was at.
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She live in Four Season.
We was in 2500 Simpson Street.
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She's lying.
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She came where I was at.
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(ALL ARGUING)
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All right, Mr. Todd...
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She came at me with
a lot of emotion,
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like we was about to fight.
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We did get into
an altercation...
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Hold on. When she came
at you with this emotion
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was she outside of the car?
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Yes, ma'am.
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That's how her
window got busted.
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And, she pulled up
where I was at
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in the apartments where I
hang at my cousin's house.
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She came where I was.
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He was already out there
because we had been
together already.
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That's why she knew, that's
why she came were we was at.
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And I bought him that phone
that she said I stole.
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At that time, we was together.
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I took the phone
back, Your Honor.
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All right, so the
bottom line is,
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you do admit you bust
the windows out the car?
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Yes, ma'am. I did because
that was self-defense.
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Self-defense?
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Yes, ma'am.
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What'd she do?
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She's mad that
we's together,
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that's why she
came out there...
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I care less about
them being together...
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What we here for is
the DNA about the kid.
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That's what I want to hear.
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(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
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That's the only thing
I want to know.
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Is he the father of my baby?
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They can have each other,
I don't want him.
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I want the blood
test for my child.
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Ms. Cullins, I want to bring
you into this because I want
to understand
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what it is you know
about the situation.
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Ms. Chappell says you
don't know anything
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because you weren't even
involved in this entire time,
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the baby was already born.
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So, what exactly do
you know about it?
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When I first met
Ms. Chappell,
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we let her move in
with me and Mr. Todd.
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We let her move in...
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Wait a minute.
You let Ms. Chappell
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move into the house
with you two?
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Yes, because where
she was living at
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was not healthy for
her or the baby.
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And when I had a conversation
with Mr. Todd,
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he said, "This is a girl
trying to put a baby on me.
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"This could be my baby."
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I said, "Well, we
can move her in,
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"just so we can get tested,
see if this is your baby."
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Therefore, we could
move forward with it.
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It didn't work out that way.
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We was taking the baby,
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when she's out having
sex with different guys,
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coming in different
times of night...
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(AUDIENCE GROANS)
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(LAUGHS)
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...while she's gone.
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Okay, and so you feel like
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you moved her in,
and then she was
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avoiding getting the DNA test.
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And what made me have doubt,
that this is not his baby,
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she doesn't look
like Mr. Todd.
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And my cousin
came and told me...
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(CHAPPELL SUCKS TEETH)
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...she was saying it could
be someone else's baby
than Mr. Todd.
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So that's why I have doubt,
because my cousin came and
told me.
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Ms. Chappell, do you
ever recall saying that...
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No, Your Honor.
[461]
Baby Walecia had
another father?
[461]
No, Your Honor.
[463]
She's lying.
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No, Your Honor.
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Ms. Chappell, then
let me then ask you,
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why are you so certain
[470]
that Mr. Todd is
your child's father?
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Because when we was together,
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I told him that
I was pregnant.
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And he was like, "Oh,
this your third child,"
whatever...
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He was like, "Our child
would be the prettiest child."
[484]
Whatever, whatever.
And I was like,
"Okay. It's cool.
[487]
"We're gonna have our baby."
And we came to an agreement
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that he would
be there for her.
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And when I had her
at the hospital,
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him, his brothers,
all of them, came.
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Did you go to the
hospital, Mr. Todd?
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Yes, I went to the
hospital, yes, ma'am.
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JUDGE LAKE: And why
did you go to...
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I went to the hospital
because I was going to do
[502]
an interview downtown,
that same time round
she had the baby.
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Once I got in there,
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the doctor said, "Who
is the father? What one
of ya'll the father?"
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I said, "Who it look like?"
[511]
The doctor said it
looked like my friend.
[513]
No. He said,
"Your brother."
[515]
He said he looked
like his brother!
[515]
On God!
[517]
He said he looked
like his brother!
[517]
That's on God!
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No.
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(ALL SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY)
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All right, all right!
Let's get some order.
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(BANGS GAVEL)
Let's get some order.
[527]
Let's get some order.
[528]
Ms. Chappell, you have a
witness, I want to hear
from her.
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Ms. Matthews, what do
you have to add to this?
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My daughter was carrying
her second child
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when she started messing
with Mr. Todd, Your Honor.
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She was on her second child.
[540]
She started having a
relationship with him
[542]
while she was carrying
someone else's baby.
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After she delivered
that other baby,
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then she ended up
pregnant by him,
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which is Walecia, who
looks just like him.
[553]
He is my grandbaby
father, and he know this.
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He know this.
[556]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
[558]
This young lady, I don't
know nothing about her.
[560]
I don't know her
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cause she wasn't
nowhere around
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when these two
started messing around.
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He was on his
first baby mama,
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that's who he
was messing with
[568]
at the time when he was
messing with my daughter.
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Oh! What a mess!
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I wasn't messing with no baby
mama, I was messing with
[576]
my, my girl who I
with for eight years.
[578]
JUDGE LAKE: All right,
listen, listen!
[579]
But she wasn't
in the picture!
[580]
She is not my baby mama.
[582]
Listen, listen, listen,
listen, listen...
[584]
Oh my!
[586]
It's like ya'll playing
tic tac toe or somethin'.
[589]
I mean you're just here,
there, everywhere.
[593]
Not tic tac toe, but this is
his baby and he knows it.
[596]
This sexual activity
with no protection,
[600]
no regard.
[602]
(STUTTERS) You all...
[603]
Is this what ya'll doing
just for a daily activity?
[606]
She just came back
around me, Your Honor.
[608]
We weren't even
around each other,
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she just had came back,
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and I hear her say, she
say, "I'm pregnant."
[613]
You had been dating her.
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Lies!
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I had moved from Overlook,
[616]
they still staying
up there. I moved.
[619]
She came to her cousin house
when I was hanging there,
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I had sex with her,
she said "I'm pregnant."
[624]
MATTHEWS: What about you when
you came to the house and all
that?
[626]
Living with us for several
months before he met...
[629]
So hold on, Ms. Chappell.
[631]
Ms. Chappell.
[631]
Yes, Your Honor.
[633]
Ultimately,
[636]
you say he came
to the hospital
[638]
and inquired about who
the child looked like.
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Yes, Honor, he's...
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Why do you think,
[643]
if he came to the hospital
to see the child,
[646]
if you feel like you all
talked about having a baby,
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why, why do you think he's
denying the child right now?
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What is his motive?
[654]
Like he said, I been
messing with all the mens,
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but he never denied her till
he get with his fiance.
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She put it in his head
that this not his baby.
[663]
Yes, I did live with
them, Your Honor,
[666]
but I did not get in an
argument with them. I never
left on bad terms...
[668]
She wasn't even
in the picture.
[670]
We was in good terms when
got my bags and I left,
[672]
we was never in an argument
or anything, Your Honor.
[675]
We was in good terms.
[676]
They still would
call me and talk.
[677]
They did not put
my things out.
[677]
No, it was not.
[680]
I grabbed my things and...
[681]
TODD: When I was staying
with them, Your Honor...
[683]
JUDGE LAKE:
Ms. Cullins, why...
[684]
Her mama even came
to me and said,
[686]
"That baby
look like you."
[688]
'Cause the mama know
I been denying the baby
[689]
when I was staying with them.
[690]
The mama even came
to me and said,
[692]
"That baby look like you."
[695]
You weren't denying the baby
when you were in my house!
[695]
I was denying the baby
when I was staying,
[696]
but I was buying
the baby Pampers.
[698]
You came to me...
[698]
No, you was not!
[700]
You said, "That baby
look just like you."
[702]
Mr. Todd, Mr. Todd,
[704]
is that what you're
offering for testimony?
[707]
Because if you're saying
that her mother came
[709]
and said the child
looked like you,
[712]
that would then support the
theory that it was your child.
[715]
Thank you, thank you.
That is his child.
[717]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
[718]
That's his child!
[719]
She said I've been
claiming the baby.
[721]
I never claimed the baby.
[722]
They would all come and say
the baby do look like me.
[725]
But I... 'Cause she knows
I wasn't never claiming
the baby.
[727]
All right, okay, so...
[729]
But even before I met her...
[731]
JUDGE LAKE: I need to know
one thing from Ms. Cullins.
[735]
Why is it you allowed
Ms. Chappell to move in?
[738]
You say it's because you
wanted to have a DNA test.
[741]
CULLINS: And because of,
[743]
because he had said there's
someone that's saying
[745]
that this is his baby, and
the baby wasn't in a position,
[747]
where they was at, it was
healthy for the baby to be in.
[750]
So, he acknowledged
to you that,
[752]
"There's a woman out there
that says she has my child...
[752]
Correct.
[755]
"...but they are not living
in conditions that I am
comfortable with.
[761]
"I want to have a DNA test.
[762]
"Can they come live with us
until we figure this out?"
[765]
Yes, ma'am.
[766]
And she was scared
to go have one.
[768]
Mr. Todd, you then
acknowledged again
[769]
it was a possibility that you
could be this child's father.
[772]
Yeah. Thank you, thank you.
[776]
All right, so what are
your hopes for today?
[779]
I hope the baby don't come out
mine because she ain't nothin'
but a problem.
[782]
Shh, she don't wanna mess
with her other baby dads,
[782]
She also...
[784]
all the rest of 'em, she wanna
corner me, and mess with me.
And...
[789]
Well, you wanted to
mess with her, too!
[791]
But all the other men
messin' with her.
[791]
Thank you!
[794]
But all the rest of 'em!
[794]
Thank you!
[795]
(ALL SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY)
[799]
JUDGE LAKE: Look, look, look!
[801]
Hey! Bottom line is you
got to pay to play.
[805]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
[807]
Right, right!
[809]
You actin' like it's a game!
[809]
CULLINS: He did...
[810]
No! Hold on, Ms. Cullins.
I'm talking!
[814]
That's the part that
you are missing in this!
[817]
Ya'll acting like
it's a game!
[819]
Then, pay to play.
[821]
Meaning, if it happens
that you are the father,
[824]
then you have to
step up and support.
[824]
Thank you.
[826]
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
[826]
When you sleep with a woman,
[829]
without using protection,
[831]
and you know that other men
are doing the same,
[833]
you know that you're at risk
for not just pregnancy,
[835]
but STDs, HIV and AIDS.
[839]
That's right,
that's right.
[841]
You can play Russian
roulette with your own
life if you want to,
[844]
but you're not going to
do it to this baby.
[846]
Right. Right.
[846]
Thank you.
[849]
So, ultimately what is
your hope, Ms. Chappell?
[852]
Well, I know that
this is his baby,
[854]
and I hope that he's ready to,
he'll take care of her,
[856]
and be in her life.
[858]
Jerome, I'm ready
for the results.
[859]
Yeah, bring it on.
[860]
Results! Results! Results!
[874]
Right! Right!
[876]
These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and
they read as follows.
[885]
In the case of<i>
Chappell v. Todd, Cullins,</i>
[888]
when it comes to
three-year-old
[891]
Walecia Chappell
[894]
it has been determined
by this court,
[897]
Mr. Todd, you...
[902]
...are not the father.
[904]
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS)
[908]
And you're smiling,
Ms. Chappell?
[910]
Yes, because at the end of
the day, this is his daughter.
[914]
What'd that DNA say? I ain't
having sex with no one else,
Your Honor.
[917]
I know this the only man I was
messing with at the time.
[917]
CULLINS: I knew it. I knew it.
[920]
Ms. Chappell, you were
obviously having sex with
at least one other person
[924]
during the window
of conception.
[926]
At least, we do know that
he's not the father.
[928]
Yes. Thank you.
[928]
We won't have no
problems no more.
[931]
Thank you!
[931]
It's good.
[933]
Okay. Now that
we know the truth,
[936]
we can start by these claims
you have against one another.
[940]
Ms. Chappell, you came in
suing the defendant for $2,475
[945]
in lost wages because you said
[948]
he would not babysit
for the child,
[950]
and you lost your job.
[952]
You could not sue him because
he was not able to babysit.
[956]
And now, since we've
determined that in fact,
[959]
Walecia is not his
biological child...
[959]
Yes.
[962]
...he doesn't even have
a moral obligation...
[965]
Right.
[965]
...or a legal obligation
[967]
Yes, Your Honor.
[967]
...to babysit for this child.
[969]
For that reason,
your claim is denied.
[971]
Yes, Your Honor.
[971]
Judgment for the defendant.
[973]
You all came with
a counter-claim
[976]
saying that Ms. Chappell
busted the windows
[979]
out of Ms. Cullins' car.
[981]
You provided receipts
that totaled $375.
[987]
Ms. Chappell stood
in court today
[989]
and admitted she bust
the windows out the car.
[991]
And so, that's a very
easy determination.
[993]
You do owe her for the $375
[996]
that it took to
repair her car.
[998]
So for that reason, judgment
for the counter-claimant.
[1001]
And, this is where
we move forward.
[1003]
Keep in mind, the
big picture is that
[1005]
Walecia deserves to
know who her father is.
[1008]
That's all I want you to know.
[1009]
Take care of yourselves.
[1011]
Good luck to you.
[1013]
Court is adjourned.
[1013]
Thank you.
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