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just about everything I know about
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Donald Trump's ties to Russia I know
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from our next guest joining us by phone
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my friend and colleague Rachel Maddow
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Trey chalo I've been dying since I saw
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this this morning to know your thought
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well I had different thoughts until you
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just said something that blew my mind
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you just broke a pretty significant
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piece of news Nicole could you just
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reiterate what you said about Deputy
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Attorney General rod Rosen Stein's still
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overseen Moeller and Whitaker I think I
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think people like they cover this have
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known this to be the case I think it's
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something that people check in on a
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daily basis is the Special Counsel
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investigation still under the direction
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and management of the Deputy Attorney
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General rod Rosen Stein is it as it has
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been since its inception and I'm told
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today just before we came on the air
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that that is still the case the charges
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or the charge brought against Michael
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Cohen today as as I think Matt or Frank
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said has a special counsel Miller's
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signature on it that went through the
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same office that all of the indictments
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and charging documents have gone through
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since the special counsel has existed
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that's the Deputy Attorney General's
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Office and his staffs office and I'm
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told that Matt Whitaker as of as of this
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moment this could always change has not
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involved himself yet in any of the
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master nations of the special counsel
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probe that is remarkable and that's
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brand-new reporting and it may be the
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sort of thing that a lot of people been
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wondering about but I have not seen that
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reported anywhere before you just broke
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that news and that's a really big deal I
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mean part of my initial reaction to
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hearing this news today was okay
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is Robert Muller somehow throttled
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compared to how he used to be able to
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conduct his investigation and pursue
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prosecutions related to this matter is
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he unable to bring new indictments
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because Matt Whitaker won't approve them
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is he Anna unable to take other major
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steps is he acting the way that we've
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seen over the past few days with the
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sort of augmentation of this
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the the situation that he's got with
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mana for it the friction now with mana
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for it the rescinding of his plea deal
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opening this new line within the Michael
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Cohen inquiry we saw a draft indictment
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not a real indictment but a draft
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indictment from Wohlers office for
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jerome corsi are we seeing these sorts
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of developments from Muller because
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Muller is otherwise constrained and
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without Whitaker he'd be acting in some
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different manner and this is a sort of a
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new phase of the special counsels
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investigation but if what you're saying
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is true in this and and and the the
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investigation continues to be overseen
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by Rosenstein it just puts a very
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different cast on this and I think it
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makes it it actually makes me feel like
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this must be a much more ominous moment
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for the white house because if Moeller
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is proceeding without being throttled
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without being stymied and he's
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proceeding at this kind of a pace
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rolling out this stuff right now
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everything is aiming right at the
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president personally and that's got to
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be very unsettling for them let me just
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because you've made me nervous by
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accusing me of breaking news and your
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colleagues are reporting about the the
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management of the Special Counsel
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investigation it's my understanding that
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a lot of these things have been in
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motion for four months many many months
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and weeks even before Matt Whittaker
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assumed his new role the the way that it
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works is that the Deputy Attorney
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General oversees you know all major
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investigations everything sort of goes
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through that office the difference
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before under Jeff Sessions was that
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there was not someone above rod Rosen
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Stein because Jeff Sessions was recused
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in this case the Whitaker is not refused
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at least not yet but the still the same
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structure still exists rod Rosen Stein
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still the Deputy Attorney General and
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all investigations still passed through
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his his office the difference is is that
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on major major major decisions there's
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another desk that a decision could go to
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and that would be to the acting Attorney
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General's desk I guess by this reporting
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it shows that that that has not happened
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yet but Rosenstein you know regardless
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of anything would still continue to run
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this investigation simply based on the
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normal structure of the Justice
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Department the way it's supposed to work
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but Rachel I mean you hit on an
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important point I think once the
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president realizes how ominous it's
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sometimes he
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like a two-day delay like the way I said
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mine it might print newspapers there's a
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two-day delay to his reaction and I
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don't want to sort of project any false
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sense of security about the probe I
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think it's as much jeopardy and you see
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Democrats and Republicans on Capitol
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Hill trying to secure it but can you
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just take us down the road of why it's
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so ominous I mean I mean there's stuff
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in here about Felix Seder there's stuff
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in here about the ties to Russia there's
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stuff in here that we've long sort of
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hoped that Muller would get his arms
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around we now have evidence that his
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arms are very much wrapped tightly
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around a pretty sophisticated
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understanding of Trump organizations
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attempted business dealings in Russia
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the problem here for the president is is
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the plot that was just revealed in the
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in the Cohan documents and what was what
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is revealed if you just sort of step
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back from it is that the president and
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his business were actively involved in
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negotiating probably the biggest
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business deal of Trump's life in Moscow
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including direct negotiations with the
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Kremlin during the president's campaign
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and they were lying about it at the time
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and they have lied about it since and
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they have engaged in a fairly elaborate
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effort to cover it up and the time when
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they were secretly negotiating what
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would have probably been the biggest
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deal of his life with the Kremlin at
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that same time the Kremlin was
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intervening illegally in u.s. politics
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to help Trump win the election there's
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some dates in the document to that I'm
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sure sort of rang out to you we had to
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do a little bit of research to find them
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but the the filing in the court case
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list dates around the time that
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negotiations over Trump Tower Moscow
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ended and it may be worth noting which
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dates Muller chose to include in the
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filing today there's there's always
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something intentional about what he adds
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he writes from on or about June 9th to
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June 14 2016 individual to who we
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believe to be Felix aider an
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intermediary between Trump and Russia
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sent numerous messages to Cohen about
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the travel including forums for Cohen to
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complete however on about June 14th
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Cohen met individual two in the lobby of
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the company's headquarters to inform
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them that he wouldn't be traveling turns
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out June 9th and June 14th are our dates
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all of your viewers know well June 9th
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was the infamous Trump Tower meet
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and June 14th is a date we first learned
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that the DNC was hacked by the Russians
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you know these are coincidences no the
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reason those dates are in there because
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this is as Matt was explaining just a
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moment ago these these Muller and his
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team don't speak publicly but they do
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tend to speak through their public
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facing documents and so this is they are
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speaking to us through this document the
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way they have with everything else they
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filed in court but it also shows us
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unequivocally that Muller has evidence
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enough to bring a criminal charge
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related to it that while Russia was
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actively intervening in our election to
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hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald
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Trump Trump was doing business with
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Russia which meant specifically doing
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business with the Kremlin and lying
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about it and that is the story I mean
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that is we don't know what other
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business there might have been we don't
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know what other business negotiations
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may have been involved in this but
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here's one that Muller has apparently
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proved to the extent that he's been able
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to obtain a criminal a criminal
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conviction in conjunction with it and so
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the whole no collusion no collusion
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thing will have to be differently
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phrased from here on out but this is
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about the president's behavior in the
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president's links to Russia and the
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president's financial links to Russia
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and this is Muller showing that that's
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what he's got and Rachel seems to just
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take June 9th when they were talking
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about a trip to Russia I mean they
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talking about working with a high of
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Vladimir Putin's name is in the document
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- main - they're talking about working
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with the highest level the Russian
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government on the same day that his son
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was in Trump Tower meeting with Russians
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in a meeting pitched as our governments
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effort to help you you know you sort of
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like cutting into a seven-layer cake and
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seeing what's inside do we now have the
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conspiracy sort of wind up on the axis
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of these specific dates yes we do and we
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also have a sense of the literal
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criminal liability not just that you
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know bad associations or evidence of bad
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behavior but literal criminal liability
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of the president's immediate nuclear
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family right we have now seen for the
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first time somebody associated with this
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scandal charged for lying to Congress
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we've had reporting from Vanity Fair
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first and other subsequent reporting
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indicating that the president's
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son Donald Trump jr. is actively
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concerned about being prosecuted
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specifically for having lied to Congress
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about this incident we know that this
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incident is now through the timing
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unveiled in today's documents materially
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related to a secret business transaction
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the president was pursuing with the
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Kremlin all he was publicly lying about
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it and that was all at the same time
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that the Kremlin was intervening
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actively to help him so this is all of a
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piece and if you don't believe that the
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president has loyalty to anybody who
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works for him and he's willing to call
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anybody a rat no matter how much they've
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helped him or work with them in the past
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I don't think anybody would say that he
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believes that about his eldest son or
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his or his daughter Ivanka or his his
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son Eric I think that to the extent that
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he and his immediate family members are
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now in danger of being nailed for
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felonies I think that it could be that
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should be understood as something that
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will unsettle the president if not
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dramatically changed the trajectory of
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how the White House reacts to this
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ongoing investigation and I think if
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they heard me that they they may be
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sharpening their pardon pencils as we
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speak Rachel I know what you're usually
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doing right now I'm so grateful that you
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spent some time with us I can't wait to
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watch them tonight saying
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congratulations on your scoop out there
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