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coding sucks anyways Matt Welsh on the
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end of programming again I still don't
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know who Matt Welsh is I'm sure this
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makes sense a former professor of
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computer science and Google engineer
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lead things generative AI will lead to
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the end of programming within three
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years
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welcome to Costco I love you I love you
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too buddy okay thank you very much
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turning off alerts for a second dude
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three years that's pretty ballsy okay I
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always made the prediction or my
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personal in internal prediction is that
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Within
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um
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with within my kids lifetime that they
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will never learn how to drive now my
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kid's nine oh I'm getting kind of close
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I don't know I don't know if it's
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actually gonna work out you think an AI
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is this an AI generated person not
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showing his hands let me see that hands
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you're you're an AI aren't you whoever
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you are Matt Matt Welsh sounds like a
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sounds like an AI name can we all agree
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that sounds kind of AI you know what I
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mean
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yeah
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all right not showing hands classic AI
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move when you think about it
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yeah yeah AI hands the AI hands problem
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all right so let's let's read this uh
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this month Matt Welsh a former professor
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of computer science at Harvard's oh damn
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credentialing hard spoken a viral Meetup
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in Chicago Association for computer
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Machinery the CAC the kakam
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oh Associated for computer machine yeah
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they went with ACM but there's this is
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actually the cacum there's that you got
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the Chicago in there explaining his
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thesis that Chad GPI and get up copilot
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represent the beginning of the end of
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programming this is actually pretty
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interesting uh because it is pretty good
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but it is like
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it's so scary how it gets it wrong and
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it's because it almost seems like it has
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the form
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of programming but not the actual
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programming itself in some sense
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you know there's how there's like
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context-free grammars
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and uh blah blah blah blah I can't
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remember all the terms now that I've
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been out of school for 12 years but it
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feels kind of like
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this is this whole argument where we're
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programming is like a larger subset and
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though we can describe a lot of it you
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know semantically correct with language
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it's not quite ever correct and so it I
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don't know I I'm very curious on this
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Welsh thinks programming is on the cusp
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of changing from a job that humans do to
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one that robots will do thanks to
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Technologies like Chad GPT wait what's
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chat GPI I want to know about this AI
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business what is this I am I just am I
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living in the Stone Age on GPT already
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my already Legacy code what the hell uh
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or perhaps product managers or code
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reviewers the two human roles uh he
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thinks are relatively safe from robots
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code reviewer
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oh
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oh
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imagine
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if you just become only a code reviewer
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uh or let's see let's see
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but don't expect to continue your career
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as an actual programmer he says because
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machines are taking over that role Welsh
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who has a who's held a senior
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engineering positions that's Google and
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apple had written an article on this
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topic on January 2023 edition of the
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communications of the ACM magazine it is
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very funny that they still even using
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the term magazine come on get get up
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with times however it wasn't clear up
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until this ACM video presentation that
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Welsh has funded a or founded a startup
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to prove his theory fix the AI which he
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is CEO of is uh is a self-described
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automation platform for large language
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models it aims to help business programs
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custom software using you guessed it
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chat EPT and similar machine learning
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programs I can't wait for people to pay
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this company a bunch of money to have a
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program that just absolutely sucks all
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the time
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do you know what I mean like think about
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how
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think about I mean just just think about
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all the discussion you have with a
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designer with with people going over
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iterations thinking about how it feels
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like really talking about then and just
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like having Microsoft front page 2.0
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builds your website like imagine Netflix
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built with Dreamweaver too it is just
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gonna be
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just the worst this is like my this is
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my least favorite future is the shitty
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AI program we all have to deal with
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you're just gonna be on hold it's like
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oh my goodness it's gonna be Robo calls
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where you call about you you call up
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someplace to get a refund and you have
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to try to explain your situation to some
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stupid ass robot that never gets it
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right you're like yes one one six nine
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it's just like no okay and you're like
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no no es friba Espanol
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no a spring on the way they espanol no
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no and boom you're speaking Spanish to
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some stupid robot because you can't get
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the damn thing to work correct it's just
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the worst it's just the worst computer
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science is doomed
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yeah this is the worst Welsh came off
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the uh top rope at the start of his
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presentation claiming that computer
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science is doomed man talk about
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clickbait uh I think the field is going
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to change erratically I do agree with
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that uh he explained if you think about
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what is uh what is computer science as a
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discipline it has always been about
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really one main thing which is
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translating ideas into programs
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hmm
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is that
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could you say that that is true could
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you say that computer science is really
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one thing
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or would you say that computer science
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is the translation of programs into
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ideas almost the opposite
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it's like the technical way of thinking
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about something concrete into more
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abstract terms
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is this just pitching a startup he went
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on to say that computer programming has
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evolved over the past 60 years trying to
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to try and make it easier for humans to
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understand code he compared Fortran in
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1957 to basic in 1964. oh where's Cobalt
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and then to rust in 2010. he said there
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is there really isn't much difference
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between those three in terms of ease of
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use for human programmers
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that that is not true
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that is
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dude start a [聽__聽] TCP server in
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1957. oh wait you'd have to travel to
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the Future 19 years or was it 1974 that
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TCP was formerly won I forget if it's
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1974 1976 I always get vim's creation
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mixed up with tcp's creation once in 76
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one's in 74. dude what do you mean there
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is no
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and 57 like what was it in Fortran 57
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you could never use the seventh column
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if you put a character in the seventh
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column it just doesn't what are you
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talking about that is crazy talk this
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look at what's happening in this code
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compared to what you could do there was
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no iterating and match statements and
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pattern matching and collecting into a
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colony via trade system quality is a
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trait it's implementing the collect
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trait and what
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okay I am not happy about this right now
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I'm not happy I am not happy right now
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with this programmers uh let's see
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programs that people are developing
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today are just as complex
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just as hard to maintain just as
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difficult to understand and just as full
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as bugs as they ever have been
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statement is patently
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are massively more complex today than
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they were 20 years ago there's no way
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you're saying this this has to be
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written by an AI this just has to be
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because this is too stupid this is too
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stupid that someone said this out loud
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that someone somehow thinks that today
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is equally as complex as it was before
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yeah sure there were Punch Cards before
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and that was really inconvenient but
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that is a physical representation of
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inconvenience versus having to think
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about all the stupid inputs places of
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failure connections internet going down
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try implementing RTP trying to figure
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out any of this crap this is just
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ridiculous
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foreign
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I'm getting myself a little hot right
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now
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I'm getting myself a little hot
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ignorance runs of miles in the uh AI
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hype Bros dude this this is oh my
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goodness you're right is this like are
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we watching web3 right now
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is this web 3 right now are we watching
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it because remember web3 is like ah the
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financial system's actually currently
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being Rewritten to use crypto I don't
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know if you know this but crypto is
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actually currently rewriting uh the
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financial system right as we speak and
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we're like no that can't be right I mean
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you couldn't you couldn't actually do
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that that easily like it takes a lot of
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time and momentum and then you also have
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this like whole problem of like
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governments and Military and then their
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money and you're trying to say you're
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just gonna usurp it by not having a
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military and for the people and by for
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the people you mean you have to pay
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hundreds of thousands of dollars to
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figure out how to manage a Geth node I'm
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gonna call bullet on that because that
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doesn't seem correct something about
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this article
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smells
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smells it was get up co-pilot that made
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Welsh fundamentally reassess the meaning
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of computer science co-pilot radically
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changes the the way that we write code
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he said and has at least in my personal
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experience been just as remarkable and
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profound way of accelerating my
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development so I don't think I've gotten
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any faster with copilot other than
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logical boilerplate that's like the only
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thing that co-pilot really is good at
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copilot's kind of annoying copilot gets
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it massively wrong copilot gets it so
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wrong
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like it's so dude okay fine [聽__聽] it say
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I mean sorry uh we're gonna go in here
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um we're going in here and I'm just
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gonna show you this okay delete this and
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like this type uh video uh video frame
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control oh my goodness I'm in the wrong
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language at this point uh struct video
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frame time stamp uh there we go time
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stamp milliseconds let's go now look at
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this audio frame good job Cola pilot I
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call that logical boilerplate you nailed
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it now I'm gonna go like this uh struct
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video perfect that's exactly what I
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wanted uh how about another one perfect
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that's exactly what I wanted how about
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imple video and I want to do a pub
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function FPS and I want to return a
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float 64 and let's see how about uh oh
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let's see oh nice okay it's taking code
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I already have in this project it
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literally is just taking code that I
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have in this project okay it already
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it's taken damn it you're taking code
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for my project here uh crap personal
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let's just redo that I was wondering why
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it was completing just so dang well
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um maker Test 2 CD Test 2 cargo a net
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Vim right here Source main go in here go
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struct video frame go in here time stamp
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uh because it even did Ms or us or Ms
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like it just did it correctly which you
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know a little uh audio nope see now see
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there we go now we're starting to get to
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all sorts of weird stuff now if I do
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that perfect struct uh video is going to
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be uh frames yep awesome now should be
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able to do audio awesome impul video
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let's go like this Pub function FPS
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return F uh 64. oh nice 30. thank you
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for that that seems nice self what do
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you got here
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no we're not going to do that how about
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match uh self
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frames.length
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that's what you're going to go with
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oh so that's how you calculate FPS you
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just take the length of your frames and
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your last time stamp
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so let's just say this happens to be the
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epoch since 1970 January 1st and that
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just happens to be what you're gonna go
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with somehow that seems wrong somehow
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that is just it it looks like code I
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would write
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this looks like words I would use maybe
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not in this particular order but these
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look like words I would use this is
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pretty good okay let's not do that one
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here I'm going to help you a little bit
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co-pilot here let's let's retry this
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again how about this one frames.first uh
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wait hold on is this oh whoopsies you
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know what I didn't include that maybe
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that maybe that's part of my problem
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okay copilot maybe it's my fault maybe
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it's my fault it's my fault okay let's
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look at this one oh man this is looking
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really good right can we all agree this
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is really good
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everybody everyone thinks this is good
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anyone here thinks this is bad
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hey guess what you're all [聽__聽] morons
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okay you know why because this has a bug
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in it look at what it is think about
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this statement first frame last frame I
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have one frame what is the duration
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right here it is zero what happens when
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you divide by zero that's not great when
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you divide by zero people don't like
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dividing by zero that's really really
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bad this thing doesn't even take it like
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it just put such a sneaky bug in there
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it's so sneaky it's so sneaky look at
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that it's so damn sneaky because you
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don't know like it's so hard to see
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because it looks correct it looks
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correct but it is so dang sneaky do you
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know what I mean it is snakey sneaky
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snakey snake eye right you just wouldn't
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know that so if you you know if you do
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self.frames.length throw in one of these
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then you go in here and then you put an
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n and then you go over here this is why
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I knew what it was supposed to do if n
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is greater than one now that was my
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solution to this problem this is my
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solution my solution is much smarter
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right big brain big smooth brain over
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here versus that wrinkly brain over and
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wherever it's at I don't even know what
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the hell's going on here
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you have two frame though don't you
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first and last
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think about it for a second let's just
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think about it just let's just hop over
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here
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let's just create a new one of these and
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I want you just to think for a second
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let's pretend you had a struct of one
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item in it
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now
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which one's the where's the where's the
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first element
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Can you spot it can anyone spot what the
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first album can you just type out the
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letter what's the first element in this
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one
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ah X nailed it okay
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good job good job good job first element
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okay now
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trick question atheist
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where's the second element so I'm gonna
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put a little little thing or where's the
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last element shall I say sorry where's
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the last element so this is first
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where's the last element where could it
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be
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oh damn it you're right this is also the
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last element
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it's right there it's it's the same
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thing right and so boom computer goes
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explodiate because guess what it doesn't
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work that way that's not how it works
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first is last one there's one item okay
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have you ever been in a golf tournament
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and in your golf tournament there's only
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two people playing so when you when you
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inevitably lose that golf tournament
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because you're terrible at golf you
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claim you got second place in the golf
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tournament you don't say you got last no
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one says they got last okay everyone got
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a trophy for being second in a golf
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tournament everybody knows about being
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second in the golf tournament okay it's
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classic all right let's keep on going
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this is taking way too long already he
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thinks co-pilot is an incredible product
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as I'm typing copilot does a very very
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good job at often completing my thoughts
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for me your thoughts must be wrong then
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it reads my mind a lot more than I
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really think it should
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I got plenty of questions for you now
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what's going outside your mind of yours
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he said he added that co-pilot is a
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fantastic productivity boost because it
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saves me from having to contact switch
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interesting uh I had such an insult
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there I'm gonna let that go is this the
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same picture over and over again oh no
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this is just live picture and that's
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just where he's at okay
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um let's see let's see as good as it is
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Welsh thinks the current version of
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copilot is just the beginning absolutely
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this would be insane if he did not think
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that
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just imagine if it's this is the end
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this is the last one
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we you know we tried it
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and uh didn't work out it didn't work
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out uh people kept getting things not
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quite correct so uh yeah we gave up
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right there uh there are only two things
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stopping copilot from getting much
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better he said more data and more
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compute
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clearly this is a man who has never npm
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installed I don't think there's a
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shortness of data anywhere in the
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typescript system you know what there's
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nothing anywhere there's there's nowhere
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there's absolutely nothing that's
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stopping right now
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plenty of data people I mean there is
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lit there is the is even an is odd
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package
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typescript is created every possible
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situation typescript is so bad at
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writing code it's so bad at writing code
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it is so bad at writing code Type
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squipped uh dot TS you can do something
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like this function quick sort
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uh numbers number and guess what
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copilot is going to copy it hey copilot
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just implemented correctly do you see
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this this is actually a correct
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implementation of quick sort right is
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that correct no it's not correct this is
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not correct you don't create memory and
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quicksort why are you creating memory
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why are you creating memory stop
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creating memory it's an In-Place quick
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sort algorithm
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oh my goodness
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oh
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[Music]
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it just pisses me off it's just wrong
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regularly
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it's correct in operations wrong in
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principle
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uh since both of those things are
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abundant he doesn't see any reason why
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co-pilot in a year or two or maybe three
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isn't going to get to the point of you
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type a few lines at the top of your
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source file and it just writes the rest
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oh gosh imagine how many bugs that you
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know what I swear co-pilot doing this is
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only going to be a function of the fact
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that there's so many programmers these
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days that don't even know how to type on
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their keyboard they type like 40 words a
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minute and they think it's perfectly
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fine never to learn how to type yeah bro
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you know I'll just use this thing like
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40 to 60 hours a week I don't actually
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need to learn how to use it why would I
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ever do that okay it doesn't make me a
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better programmer to know to you to know
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how to use my keyboard okay oh copilot's
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gonna type it for me
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you can imagine how I feel about you
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okay
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you can imagine how I feel about that
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okay
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have you considered that you can just
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ask Chad gbt to fix the bugs though
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so I can't believe I can't believe
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program exactly ending I just I can't
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believe we're actually on the cusp of
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programming ending this is uh
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wow
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um I'm sorry everybody don't learn
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programming it's not worth it we're
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about to uh lose all of our jobs
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I'm the stupid one for learning how to
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type I should have instead of learning
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how to type I should have played
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fortnite or something man Welsh had some
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intriguing predictions about how this
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will change the Team Dynamics of
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software development basically he only
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sees a couple of roles for humans once
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programmers are phased out product
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managers and code reviewers the role of
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product manager won't change much he
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says imagine somebody that doesn't
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actually code in only reviews code guess
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how good they're going to be at
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reviewing code
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you know part of code review is the
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extrapolation of experience into
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practice right it is it is literally
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taking the years of you coding and
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trying to apply it to a situation to
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understand what's happening you know how
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many look Goods to me like first off
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imagine how much code is going to be
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generated by copilot okay they're gonna
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make a lot of code second off we all
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know if any code review is more than
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like 20 lines 30 lines 40 lines maybe L
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looks good to me well I don't know what
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happened in this file it's written by an
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AI must be good
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the AI spits out the code in like a few
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seconds the AI I know dude
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it is
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it's hard in the let's see in the near
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future instead of uh handing a PRD I
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don't even know what that means to an
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engineer team and waiting six weeks or
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so for them to implement it well said
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you could just hand the PRD
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pneumonia ready device uh to the AI and
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the AI spits out code in in like a few
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seconds
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listen
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of course one of the early lessons of
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generative AI is the output of those AIS
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won't necessarily be correct
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what's early it's
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two to seven years from now like what
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the hell is early in generative AI
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I'm just gonna hand it a product spec it
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'll just [聽__聽] out
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code that looks correct
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and then what I'm gonna figure it all
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out oh my goodness how do we know that
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the code works
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foreign
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oh no how do we know that it's good how
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do we know that it's right of course we
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need to have a thorough testing
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and the testing is very very important
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who writes the tests again if there was
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only some way to generate these tests
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based on requirements
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yep all the cicd stuff and everything
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that we've invested in over the last few
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delegate decades are still relevant here
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devopsy got yourself a job still he
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thinks that humans with programming
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abilities will be tasked with reviewing
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and reading the AI generated code and
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making sure that it works and is doing
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the right thing as for programmers and
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Those About to join the field they will
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need to become teachers of AI rather
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than coders it's all about teaching the
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AI not right in the computer program
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okay uh oh wow he has a company trying
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to do this who would have thunk
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having a set of let's see having set the
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scene and scared the bejebers out of the
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200 plus computer scientists who turned
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uh tuned into this ACM meeting Welsh
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then explained how his new company is
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taking advantage of
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yeah
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oh oh my goodness no oh oh
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oh my goodness huh guess what hey guess
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what you got a problem did you know you
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got a problem you got a real problem
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guess what No One's Gonna No One's Gonna
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program anymore I trust me trust me bro
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I'm I'm from Harvard
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by the way I started a company
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in which we made it so that they could
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do exactly what I just warned you about
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uh with fixie the idea is you give it
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the description of what you want to do
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and fixie takes it and let's see using a
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large language models plus agents that
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can connect to external systems it
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produces a result for you either the
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answer to the question or calling an API
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or invoking a tool or making a change in
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a database these are all the things that
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models can do and critically we are
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doing this not by writing a whole ton of
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code we are doing this by teaching the
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AI models how to do it
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this just kind of looks like Siri
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see Json agent
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it got brains Json agent got braids it
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fetch all the GitHub issues
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serialize all the GitHub issues to a
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string please uh node.js just exceeded
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string limit coding sucks okay it became
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clear in this presentation that mattos
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he has a big invested interest in making
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traditional coding obsolete really since
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his company aims to capitalize on the
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trend of AI programming however given
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his own long and successful career as a
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computer scientist you also have taken
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the prediction seriously uh okay and
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this is I mean this is isn't that
[1494]
literally the appeal to Authority
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fallacy isn't that like it
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how could they not say this incoming I
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know exactly I mean isn't that isn't
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that literally just by saying
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because I can find a doctor right now
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that will tell you putting coffee up
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your ass
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has a lot of health benefits
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I'm just saying do you want to put
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coffee up your ass right now I'm just
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saying is that what you want because you
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know what I can find an expert 20 years
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of experience
[1522]
get that coffee right up the pooper
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because that's going to give you long
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life boy boy that's gonna give you long
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life
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is putting coffee
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up your ass healthy question mark doctor
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coffee ediba the rise of coffee enemas
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don't try this because you know why I'm
[1545]
saying this because this actually
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happened like the early 2000s was all
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about putting coffee up the up the booty
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this is this is not this is not a joke
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because there was doctors that actually
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was suggesting this
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Facebook do you put coffee
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that's it good clean bucket first one no
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no no no no no I'm not reading that I'm
[1569]
not reading it I'm not reading it I'm
[1571]
not reading that I'm not reading that
[1572]
not reading it chat look away look away
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Chad
[1576]
the origins of the coffee script I know
[1578]
this is oranges at the coffee script uh
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let's see Welsh thinks that coding sucks
[1582]
anyways so just let the robots do it do
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something else with your time He
[1586]
suggests such as being unemployed yeah
[1588]
you know just go do something else why
[1589]
don't you just call be employed
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um
[1594]
you know where I think AI is going to
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really shine at is in like very
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mechanical things uh I think ai's
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already write a router code because
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that's like a very very very mechanical
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thing
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um I I believe there it's already
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probably I I wouldn't be surprised if
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it's not deeply invested in
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uh doing all the like die generation for
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for Hardware all that kind of stuff I'm
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positive it does
[1620]
most of everything but that's all very
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mechanical
[1625]
I know this is the Wall Street Journal
[1627]
telling you to stop eating breakfast
[1629]
because it sucks anyways writing
[1631]
computer programming is not the best use
[1633]
of the time for everyone
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what is the best use of my time
[1642]
easier said than done for people
[1643]
employed as
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[Music]
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hard
[1648]
okay that is the best ending to this
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whole thing
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you know writing computer programmer is
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not the best time for everybody easier
[1655]
said than done for people writing it for
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their job
[1658]
[Laughter]
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I live in a world of dump I I swear we
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live in the stupidest Universe this is
[1666]
like the writers of 2023 are the
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single-handed like best
[1672]
they they are the best writers of any
[1675]
season of earth right like they just
[1676]
keep coming up with just the the
[1678]
greatest curveballs I have ever seen in
[1680]
my lifetime somehow somehow the writers
[1684]
this year they are so good we gotta hire
[1686]
them for 2024. do you think it's do you
[1688]
think chat GPT is writing 2023
[1693]
important
[1695]
yeah so that on the other hand so that
[1698]
greater dispel whoever okay gosh you got
[1700]
to see this now this is actually cool
[1702]
can a large language model summarize to
[1704]
our meeting that would be sweet right
[1705]
like uh just yeah that would be sweet
[1708]
I'd totally be down for that I'm done
[1709]
with this article this article is
[1710]
actually crazy talk I can't keep on
[1712]
reading it it's like I it's like every
[1714]
sentence I read
[1715]
okay let's read more we'll read more
[1717]
okay we'll just read a little bit more
[1718]
but it feels like every sentence I read
[1720]
just got a little bit stupider each time
[1722]
Microsoft is including that feature and
[1724]
Bing yeah not surprising did you see the
[1725]
reason for uh the Mark Anderson uh I
[1727]
think I had a lot of perspective how
[1728]
machines will not take over in this way
[1730]
yeah I let's see plot twist no one could
[1732]
have predicted it
[1734]
all right here we go here's the full
[1735]
presentation oh that's the end got him
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