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well the legislature in arkansas
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recently passed a bill that would ban
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doctors from prescribing so-called
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puberty blockers heavy-duty hormones to
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children
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who believe they're transgender the law
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also bans
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surgeons from physical castration of
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children
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but the governor of arkansas asa
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hutchinson vetoed that bill on monday
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legislatures in arkansas just voted to
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override
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that veto which brings us to where we
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are right now ace hutchinson is the
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governor of arkansas and he joins us to
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talk about this story governor thanks so
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much
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for coming on i really appreciate it in
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the middle of all this
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now i i think of you as a conservative
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here you've come out
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publicly as pro-choice on the question
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of chemical castration of children
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what changed well first of all
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your teaser as you led into this program
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did not accurately represent the bill
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if this had been a bill that simply
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prohibited chemical castration i would
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have signed the bill but tucker as you
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know
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this bill was overbroad it was extreme
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it went far
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beyond what you just said and i made it
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clear that this
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if this was about prohibiting uh
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procedures
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uh sex reassignment surgery absolutely i
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would have signed that bill
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but this again is the first law in the
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nation
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that invokes the state
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between medical decisions parents who
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consent to that
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and the decision of the patient and so
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this goes
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way too far and in fact it doesn't even
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have a grandfather clause that
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those uh young people that are under
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hormonal treatment
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if i could become
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this is chemical castration of course if
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you stop puberty and suppress the sex
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hormones you're chemically castrating
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someone
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so our our description was correct but
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let me just ask you i mean there are all
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kinds of we're talking about minors
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children here and there are all kinds of
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things in arkansas
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kids in every state are not allowed to
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do get married drink a beer get a tattoo
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why do you think it's important for
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conservatives to make certain that
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children
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can block their puberty be chemically
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castrated why is that a conservative
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value
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if you would tell us well first of all
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you have parents
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involved in very difficult decisions you
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have physicians that are involved in
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these decisions
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and i go back to william buckley i go
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back to ronald reagan the principles of
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our party
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which believes in a limited role of
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government are we as a party abandoning
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a limited role of government
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and saying we're going to invoke the
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government decision making
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over and above physicians over and above
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health care over and above parents
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and saying you can't do you believe it's
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healthy you're not engaged
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how much how deeply have you studied
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this this topic
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with respect it doesn't sound like
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you've studied it very deeply i mean
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this is an
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emerging field there's not a lot of
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research but the research that exists
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suggests
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that depression and the urge to
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self-harm and suicide
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is a component is a side effect of
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taking these hormones a study in the uk
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show the overwhelming majority of kids
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of children on puberty blocking
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hormones had the urge to hurt themselves
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why is that
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responsible medicine to do that to
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children why would you support something
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like that
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well i actually reviewed some of that
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study i reviewed the high court decision
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there
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and i think they are different than what
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you're talking about here
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sure there's a lot of unknowns here uh i
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studied this bill
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in contrast to what you just said i
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spent a lot of time
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reviewing cases meeting with people
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listening to the experts as well as to
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faith leaders as well
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and i'm a person of faith but at the
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same time
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i'm a person of limited role of
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government i signed pro-life bills
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uh i signed uh many bills that
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would be looked at as a very
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conservative but this is one that
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crosses the line
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there's no need for it hold on hold on
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i'm sorry but hold on
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did you you've said that you've seen
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research that shows the mental health
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of children who receive puberty blocking
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drugs improves what is that research
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exactly
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well the research that i've seen shows
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that
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these troubled youth these ones that
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have gender dysphoria that they
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also have depression they have suicidal
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tendencies it's a higher suicide rate
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than others
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and they go to their parents the parents
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go to doctors
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and they try to deal with this very
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difficult issue
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i don't think we should deny that
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i'm sorry i'm sorry you're the governor
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you just vetoed this bill you said
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you're familiar with the studies
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no one disputes that children who are
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asking for puberty blocking drugs or
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been recommended their parents or
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doctors may be depressed that seems very
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likely i think the studies show it
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cite one specific study that shows
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puberty blocking drugs
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improves the condition does it make
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children
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less depressed does it make them less
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likely to harm themselves to commit
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suicide just name one study that shows
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that please
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well i would refer you to the american
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academy of
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pediatrics i would refer you to
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the into the the physicians that came
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out in opposition to this bill because
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they
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understood the risk to these young
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people and if
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you prohibit uh the medical care that
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this bill prohibits then you're going to
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endanger
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uh these young people even further so i
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would say
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existed this field barely existed 10
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years ago
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cases of gender dysphoria so-called have
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increased by thousands of percent in the
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last decade
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so actually we can't know the answers to
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these questions the the the research
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that we have suggest the opposite of
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what you're claiming
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you clearly aren't familiar with the
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research and so my question is have you
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spoken to any of the biggest employers
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the big companies in arkansas about this
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have you taken any calls
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from tysons from dillard from walmart
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has anyone from those companies called
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you about this bill
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no but tucker you're saying first of all
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you haven't spoken
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no no there is a there is not
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a single study that i'm aware of that
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shows an
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improvement in the mental health of
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children who take puberty blockers who
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are chemically castrated and you
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couldn't cite one
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you're not familiar with their research
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you were told by doctors that it's a
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good idea and you went with it but i
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just want to clarify very quickly
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have you and i just want to be clear on
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this have you spoken to
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any corporate interest in the state of
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arkansas about
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this bill tucker i answered that
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i answered that question and i said no i
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have not
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no you have another question
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i'm skeptical because we've certainly
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seen across the
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let me just say governor with respect
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i'm skeptical that not a single
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corporation in the state of arkansas has
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weighed in with you one way or the other
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on this bill
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i am i'm skeptical you asked me if i
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talked to them
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i said i hadn't let me emphasize tucker
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you are a conservative you have a great
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background in that
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where are we getting back to the limited
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role of government that we don't have to
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invoke ourselves
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in every societal position out there
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let's limit the role of government okay
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let's play parents
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then why don't we allow 18 year olds to
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drink beer in arkansas
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why don't we allow them to get tattoos
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why don't we allow 15 year olds to get
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married
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you're allowing you vetoed a bill that
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would have protected children not adults
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children to whom a different standard
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applies from a
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life-altering permanent procedure that
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has effects we can only guess at but the
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early indication is they're very serious
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and very negative in some cases
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and now you're telling me you do that
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because you're a friend of limited
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government okay then why are we
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preventing kids from drinking sincere
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question or getting married sincere
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question
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having sex they're not old enough to
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have sex but they're old enough to be
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chemically castrated how does that work
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exactly i'll listen
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as you explain well thank you tucker and
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first of all
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these are difficult decisions do you
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want to listen to
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the medical profession do you want to
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listen to professional counselors do you
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want to listen to parents
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or do you want to leave all these
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decisions to the
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legislators that come from all different
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kinds of background yes they're
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elected to represent you but they do not
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necessarily
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make the right judgments for parents and
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for doctors in the most sensitive issues
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and so sure why would you why are we
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regulating the behavior of children at
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all
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if we're allowing children to decide and
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by the way i read a study today that
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showed the overwhelming majority of kids
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who do not take life-altering hormones
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in the end decide not to quote
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transition to a new sex
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so there's a lot going on here but i'm
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asking as
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a conservative you just incited invoked
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ronald reagan as if he were for chemical
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castration of children
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what other behavior should we not use
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the power of the state
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to regulate among kids seriously
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well every time and see look tucker you
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want to keep talking you want me to
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answer a question
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well thank you and so whenever you
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whether it's
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it's beer for minors these are all
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issues that you have to address the
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legislature you make judgment calls on
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it
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but we also try to restrain ourselves as
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conservatives
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that we don't have to be involved in
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every issue and if you want to broaden
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the party
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if you want to get back to the
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principles then let's at least think
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through
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in a reasoned way as to whether
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this is the right bill to interfere with
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parents
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and doctors decisions on a health care
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matter as you pointed out
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has does not have thorough research in
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every area
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and so i yield to that whenever you look
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at this bill
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it might yield to the lack of research
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really quick ten years ago if somebody
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had said hey asa hutchinson you're gonna
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be governor of arkansas
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and you're gonna veto a bill that would
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have protected children from chemical
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castration
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what do you think you would have said
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well just like i said today if you're
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talking about
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a reassignment surgery i would have
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signed that bill in a minute
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but whenever you're talking about maybe
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less than 200 kids in arkansas that's
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currently on
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hormone treatment and they are
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immediately cut off
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without having a grandfather clause in
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this legislation
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i don't think that's treating those kids
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or their parents or their
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health care providers fairly or equally
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all right that's the conservative
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position governor thanks i appreciate
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coming on
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