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thank you let's bring in west virginia
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democratic senator joe manchin
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from capitol hill senator thank you for
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being here
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good to be with you brett how are you
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i'm great listen we want to talk about
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what peter just talked about about crime
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and the back and forth on all of that
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but
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i want to talk about the legislation
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that's coming up and that is
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this week there was a lot of back and
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forth about
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whether president biden was going to
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sign a bipartisan infrastructure bill
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if it didn't wasn't tied to a
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reconciliation bill much bigger down the
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road
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there's now word that moderate democrats
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are saying that maybe that
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reconciliation bill can go forward but
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can only be one trillion dollars or less
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is that true well i don't know what the
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size of the reconciliation bill will be
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first of all uh brett there was never a
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doubt in my mind that
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that president biden didn't support the
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bipartisan
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infrastructure we'll call it traditional
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infrastructure roads bridges
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water and all the different things that
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we have done this is the greatest
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largest bill that we've ever done in
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infrastructure in history united states
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it has something for everybody and every
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state needs so much help in this and
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my state has one of the worst bridges
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bridge situations in the country and
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we desperately need them we need roads
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repaired we need roads built
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so it's good for everybody so with that
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i never doubted that he would not
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support it
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he made a mistake when he spoke he
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corrected that mistake
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and we're moving forward and he's out
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now not only
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did he correct his mistake he's out now
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supporting it and going full
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full blast so i appreciate it saying
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that he's going to go
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he wants the bipartisan bill of course
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but he's also saying he wants to sign
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a bigger reconciliation bill this is
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what nancy pelosi has said about all of
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this
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let me be really clear on this we will
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not
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take up a bill in the house
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until the senate passes the bipartisan
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bill
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and an emphasis and a reconciliation
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bill
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that seems pretty clear from the speaker
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of the house
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for for you what does a reconciliation
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bill have to look like
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and are you alone in what you're
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thinking about it
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well brett i don't know about i've been
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alone for a long time it seems like here
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recently but what i will say is this
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reconciliation i i am i
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understand we'll probably have to go to
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reconciliation because
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uh i did not vote for the 2017 tax
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the tax bill that president trump put
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forward i had worked for a long time in
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a bipartisan way with my republican
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colleagues and friends
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and democrats and we thought we had a
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good bipartisan bill
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for tax overhaul but at the end they
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went to reconciliation and no democrats
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were there
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and i thought it was weighted uh too uh
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too much to the
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to the high-end earners if you will with
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that um
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i'm i'm agreeable to making adjustments
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to the tax code which i think will be
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fair and competitive i use the word
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competitive
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brett because we are in a global market
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we're in a world global market here that
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we have to compete
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and with that you can't go just though
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caution to the win
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so what we're going to do is look at all
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the rates that we think can be adjusted
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and a competitive rate let's see how
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much money that would spin off
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and then based on what money we have to
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spend our priorities on what we should
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do
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and then what we call a human
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infrastructure bill
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also brett i i remind everybody that we
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put out close to six trillion dollars
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in money in so many various ways
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education
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helping people medicaid assistance
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extensions
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of food programs we're doing an awful
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lot we have done an awful lot
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so all that should be taken into
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consideration also what's been
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accomplished but
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with that we have 28.5 trillion dollars
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of debt and i've said this before we are
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writing checks our ca
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our children could never cash and we're
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putting let me try this
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a different way if the reconciliation
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bill they're envisioning
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on the progressive side is four to six
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trillion you're not going with that i
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don't think i could ever get there to
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that i don't think that we
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i don't not unless we just throw caution
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to the wind on the tax code and could
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care less
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are we competing in a global market and
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are we being fair
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uh that you just throw that out the
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window
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that seems to me this uh totally out of
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the ballpark
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you've always said here on this show
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other shows that
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uh you're you're against changing the
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filibuster rules
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but there is nuance there because
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previous nuclear options have been
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changed by
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by changing the senate precedent um
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not the rules so so are you for lowering
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the lowering the threshold at all
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from 60 votes to 55 votes we're changing
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that in any way
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brett i haven't changed at all on that
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i've been at 60 votes i think basically
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users change the attitudes of people and
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we should be working together
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there if the with the democrats are in
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minority
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and the republicans the majority we
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should be able to find
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10 at least 10 reasonable if it's a 50
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50. and if they had 54 or 55 then you
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only need five
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to get to 16. so the bottom line is is
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the filibuster is there so the minority
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has input
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i've been in the minority and i've been
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in the majority and i can tell you when
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you're in a minority
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you'd like to have input if it was going
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to be a 51 vote threshold basically just
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a simple majority then i would have ran
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for the house i wouldn't run for the
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senate the senate is different
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we have a different role to play and
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basically we're called the most
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deliberate body
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for a reason we do deliberate we don't
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expect anything
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to come from the house that's going to
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be in a bipartisan manner brett
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we know it's going to be hot as a
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firecracker we've got to cool that thing
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off
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well if we're no different the house
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it'll come hot
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come in hot and it'll go out hot that's
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not what americans and christians
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kiersten cinema from arizona has said
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something similar and i think there are
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other
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people who maybe haven't spoken out uh
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who may feel the way that you do
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just privately seeing that there are a
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lot of people
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republicans i talked to say what would
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it take for joe manchin to switch
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parties
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well if a party if if switching a party
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whether you have a d
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by your name an r by your name changes
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who you are as a person
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then you're in the wrong profession and
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it's all about you and not about
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the oath you take to the office the oath
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to the constitution
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to protect and defend that shouldn't be
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a party affiliation that should be all
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of us
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i i've always said this brett i'm
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fiscally responsible and socially
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compassionate
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i guess you can put me anywhere you want
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but having the d
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or an r by my name or changing and going
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from one to another
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i've never considered that i believe in
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the democratic principles
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that i grew up with and how i was raised
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and i believe to respect
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every one of my republican friends
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because they
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have they have a commitment and i
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respect that and we sit down
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and we talk we find out once we do we
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agree on
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the problem if the problem is something
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that we can all agree on
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then you can find a solution the hard
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part today
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is we can't even get agreement on the
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facts anymore everybody brings their own
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set of facts
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to the table i said you're entitled to
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your opinion
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just don't bring your own set of facts
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to support your opinion
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in light of this is the pushback to that
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they say
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president biden didn't didn't win a
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single county in west virginia
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and you feel more allegiance if you're
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getting pushed from democrats to do
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something to the people of west virginia
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or to the democratic party
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well i'm here because of west virginia
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i'm here because of every person in west
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virginia
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i love my state as much as anything in
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the world
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not quite as much as my family but not
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far behind but
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i i would do anything for my state of
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west virginia it's been so good to me
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the opportunities i've had a chance to
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serve as governor for two terms
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secretary of state before that house of
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delegates state senate
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i know this process very well these are
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good people
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and the bottom line is they have changed
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i've told the democratic party
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uh what had happened to people like west
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virginians or people that come from
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rural areas
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that they right all of a sudden find
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themselves not good enough
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not clean enough not green enough and
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not smart enough
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well i'm sorry this is the same good
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west virginians and independents and
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republicans
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that we've always been they just started
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voting differently
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for that reason but and they still send
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me back to represent them and i do the
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best that i possibly can
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i know they don't know me as the
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democrat joe the democrat
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they know me as joe well you've been
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successful as a democrat west virginia
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last thing quickly will congress ever
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care about the national debt again
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and when you know brett i'm concerned
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about this i don't see either side
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i don't see either side i'll be honest
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with you they all talk a good game
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but there's no one no one truly
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concerned about all the trust funds we
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have the highway trust
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all the different things medicare
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medicaid you have social security
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what are we doing are we at least
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setting down and thinking
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how are we able to basically continue
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these programs that are so desperately
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needed but also making sure
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live with it we live within our means we
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had a balanced budget amendment in west
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virginia
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most states have a balanced budget
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amendment as governor i said
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every week and then when the crash
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happened in two eight and two nine
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it was every day making adjustments so
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we can live within our means
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and when you get outside of your means
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and you get my my grandfather would
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always tell me
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brett he said joe uncontrolled debt
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unmanaged debt will make cowards out of
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the decisions you'll make
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you'll make cowardly decisions and we
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are making cowardly decisions
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because we will not face the truth of
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basically a
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situation that we have with unimaginable
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debt
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debt 28.5 trade hey brett
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4 billion every day like clockwork i get
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a wake-up call every morning
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4 billion every day it increases yeah
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and if interest rates go up one point we
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pay more on the national
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good the interest rates on more than we
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pay for the pentagon
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uh senator joe manchin thank you so much
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for the time you're welcome back anytime
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sure brett it's always good to be with
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you hope you all as well and hope the
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family's well
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thank you hey sean hannity here hey
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