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EVERYTHING You Need to Know about 1031 Exchanges! - YouTube
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Hey guys, it's Matt. Today we're going to
talk about 1031 exchanges. They can seem very
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complicated and they are somewhat complicated,
but I'm going to tell you everything that
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I know, and it's hopefully everything that
you need to know about these types of transactions
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and how you can utilize them when you're selling
your real estate. So let's jump into it. So
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for those of you that don't know, here's what
a 1031 exchange is. Okay, let's say you've
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got a piece of rental real estate, and I need
to accentuate the word rental. We'll get into
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that in just a minute. Let's say you've got
a piece of rental real estate right here.
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That's a cute little house. Let's put a little
smokestack on it. There you go. Okay, all
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right. So there's your rental real estate,
and this could be a single-family home. This
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could be an apartment building.
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This could be a shopping center. This could
be a mixed-use building. Anything, any type
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of real estate, even land. It could be any
type of real estate that you own. Check on
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that land thing, by the way. I'm not sure
because land I'm not sure if it qualifies
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for investment intent. So put an asterisk
next to that one, but I have done 1031 exchanges
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for smaller properties, duplexes, and small,
midsize multi as well. So let's stick to that,
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but it can be commercial as well. The purpose
of a 1031 exchange is selling this property
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and keeping all the proceeds from the sale
and rolling it into a next, a purchase up,
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into a bigger property. Because if you don't
do a 1031 exchange, you're going to pay income
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tax on the sale of the properties. Let's say
you bought this property for a 100K, you held
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it for five years.
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You held it for however long you did, and
you can now sell it due to market improvements.
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And because you're an awesome landlord and
you've increased the revenue for the property
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and somebody's willing to pay you a higher
price, be it on a good market cap rate for
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the property. And because you've increased
the profitability of the deal, it's worth
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more. So let's say you're going to sell it
for 200,000. Okay? So you also... That that
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gain right there of a $100,000 is taxable
and it's taxed at fairly aggressive rates.
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So you'd rather not have to pay that tax I'm
sure. And just transfer all that money into
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your next deal. There's more tax involved
in a 1031 exchange as well. Because, as some
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of you know, as you hold real estate, you
get to depreciate it. So the IRS is going
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to say, "Okay, you started out at a hundred.
We're going to allow you to write off value
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of that property every year, to where on your
books, after just a couple of years, it's
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only worth, let's say 85K."
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So That $15,000 is depreciation that you've
gotten to right off your books. Every couple
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of years, you get to reduce the value of your
investment by a couple of thousand a year,
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which is really great because if you made
a couple of grand, but you get to reduce the
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value by a couple of grand, you make net zero
or even net negative from a tax perspective.
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Depreciation is a great, great thing. But
when you go to sell the property, the IRS
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isn't stupid. They realize, "Hey, wait a minute.
He sold it for 200,000. We only have it on
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his books for 85. So he has to pay gain, not
on just that $100,000, but on this depreciation
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you got to write off your books, but you actually
didn't lose the value of the property." You
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actually have to pay up for the depreciation
that you got to write off.
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It's called depreciation recapture. Okay?
So these are all things that you would want
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to avoid. So that's why a 1031 exchange is
even something you would want to do. Okay?
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So here's what a 1031 exchange is. Here's
the nuts and bolts of it real quick. So you're
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going to sell this property and you are going
to, like I said, transfer all of these proceeds,
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all of them, you can't take a dime and put
it in your own pocket and you're going to
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go and buy a bigger asset over here. I'm going
to make it physically bigger so you can see
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that it's bigger, right? It's got even more
windows and it's still got a little smokestack
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at the top. It's got a couple of doors on
it. Okay? So you're going at... My very first
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1031 exchange we sold a duplex and we bought
a four family a building. That was our very
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first one.
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So let's pretend that's the same thing here.
Now, here are some of the rules for 1031 exchanges.
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And I use my awesome art drawing here to implement
it, to tell you about this rule. So the first
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thing is it has to be a qualified deal. That's
the first thing. So for all you fix and flippers
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out there, you're like, "Oh man, this is awesome.
I'm just going to do 1031 exchanges every
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time I flip a house." No, you can't do that,
because a 1031 exchange, this very first property
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has to have investment intent. You have to
be able to show the IRS that you had investment
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intent the whole time when you were involved
in the property. So that means that you might
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need to show leases, rental income, that you
improved the property.
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Of course, you can show that you invested
in the property and you fixed it up, but you
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also have to show that those investments were
made for investment rental income, passive
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income, intent on the property. Not value
add so that I can sell it. Now you can go
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out and buy a vacated or a dilapidated duplex
and do the BRRRR strategy, the BRRRR, right?
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You can go and buy a duplex and fix it up
and make investments in the property and then
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put tenants in and then go and sell it. And
in the back of your little head, you might've
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intended to do that the whole time, kind of
like flipping a rental property, which is
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something common that people do. But the things
that you did on the property were always investment
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intent. If you're going to do something like
that, if you are going to go flip a small
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multi, I highly recommend that you hold it
for a little while, a couple of months with
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tenants in there so that you can qualify for
a 1031 exchange when you sell it.
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So again, it has to be a property that has
straight investment intent, and you can change
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your mind later and decide to sell it, but
it can not be a property that you went out
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and bought and renovated and sold, and you
never leased it. No evidence of any passive
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income intent on the property ever. So that
means if it doesn't fit those, and if it's
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just an investment deal, then it's a qualified
deal. That's number one, it has to qualify.
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Number two, the owner of this property has
to be the owner of that property. That sounds
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silly, but here's what that really means.
When my wife, Liz, and I first bought our
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duplex, we bought it. We were actually dating
at the time. So we bought it in her maiden
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name and my personal name, because we were
awesome and didn't have an LLC set up at the
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time.
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And there wasn't anything like bigger pockets
out there to tell us what to do, right? So
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we bought it in our personal name. Well guess
what we had to do over here? We had to buy
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that in our personal name too. It has to be
held in the same title. It also has to be
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held the exact same title. So for years we
owned a four family with my wife's maiden
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name on it, even though we had been married
for years at that point, right? Because it
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has to be held in the same title as this property.
Now after the 1031 exchange settled. And we
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decided we wanted to refinance the building
years later. And so we did a quick claim deed,
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which is a whole nother conversation, which
we're not going to have here, but we quick
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claim deeded it out of our personal name into
an LLC later.
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But bottom line, this ownership entity has
to be the same as the ownership entity that's
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buying that property. The exact same. So you
can't have one, two, three LLC that's going
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to sell this property and then invest in a
fund or syndication or something larger that's
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with another owner or other people or whatever
it is. It has to be the exact same owner.
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Okay, got it? All right, good. Now, here's
the timeline for a 1031 exchange, and this
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is where people get tripped up. And this is
where a lot of questions happen. I'll do my
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best to explain this to you guys very clearly.
So when you are considering selling this property,
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first of all, you should, I highly recommend
you engage a third party called a qualified
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intermediary. Some people also call them 1031
escrow agents. Some people call them just
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account holders or custodians.
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But the correct term, that I've heard, is
qualified intermediary for a 1031 exchange.
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This QI comes in and when this property sells,
none of this money even touches your pocket.
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It goes from settlement into the pocket of
the QI, who is a qualified intermediary. And
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they can talk you through the whole process
and they hold the money. And then when the
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money comes and the money needs to go invested
into this deal, the qualify intermediary comes
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to closing or wires it to the title company
for this deal. So the money actually never
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touches your pocket. It just goes to the intermediary.
That's rule number one. Here's the timing.
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In 45 days from you selling this property,
it's 45 days from closing, you have to identify
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through the qualified intermediary and through
them to the IRS, you have to identify up to
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three potential purchases that you're going
to make.
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45 days is like a blink of an eye in real
estate time. Okay? Like seven years in dog
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years. Well, in real estate time, that's like
nothing. 45 days. But I recommend if you guys
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are going to go selling property, you better
be thinking about what your potential properties
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you're going to be buying are before you even
put this property up for sale. Right? Most
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people that I know that do 1031 exchanges,
the day they put this up for sale, they already
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had this under contract, right? If you really
want to play the game the right way. Now,
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let's say you don't. Let's say that you have
an unexpected buyer of this property and you
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decide, you want to do a 1031 exchange late
in the game. Then you have to abide by this
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calendar.
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So 45 days from here, you have to identify
potential purchases. Okay? You don't have
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to buy the exact property, but you have to
identify potential purchases and you have
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to buy at least, this property has to be one
of the potential purchases and you're allowed
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to identify three. What I mean, what I'm kind
of saying in a roundabout way is that it doesn't
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have to be number one, doesn't have to be
number two, but it better be number three,
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if it's not number one or number two. So they
could all be possibilities of purchases. Now
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the rules get a little more complicated. I'm
not going to get into it right now, but you
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can also say, "I'm going to take the proceeds,
this $135,000 in proceeds and I'm going to
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buy this property, this property and this
property." You're going to break the money
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up and buy multiple properties.
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You can do that. There's more rules around
that too. Which again, beyond the scope of
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this video. But today, what I'll tell you
is you can identify one, two, or up to three
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potential purchases of which your final purchase
has to be one of those three. Okay? Now here's
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the other calendar. In 180 days, you must
purchase this property, the new property,
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which again has to be one of the ones you
identified. Okay? So you have to close and
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own it in 180 days. So people are like, "Well,
what if I don't buy it? What if I don't close?
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Can I get an extension?" No, the IRS is very
tight about this. You can't get an extension.
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You cannot extend this out. If it goes to
181 days or longer or whatever it is, you
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can't file for an extension.
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I can get an extension on my taxes now. For
some reason or another, they're not giving
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anything on this. So if you go past that date,
you pay tax on this money. That's what it
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is. That's the way I understand it. Now, I'm
sure I'll get some comments below in ways
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you can circumvent the 180. I welcome those
comments and those conversations, but the
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way I understand it is this profit here becomes
taxable, if you go past 180 period, the end.
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Now, for those of you that are asking, "Well
what if you fall through?" Well, here's what
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you do. Here's your backup plan. You got to
put it back. Here's maybe the little secret
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here that some of the bigger folks in this
business have taught me is yes, you identify
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properties and just don't be silly.
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You start your search for the new property
here. Okay? Before you sell this property
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and you don't close the sale of this property
until you have this identified. That's number
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one. So you know where you're going before
you even close this thing. So you could identify
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the new property right after closing. Okay?
That's the best way to do it. Now, you also
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can build yourself in a safety net in that
45 days, and in the properties that you identify
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are potentials. And there's something called
tenants in common. Tenants in common investments.
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And they've got kind of a funky reputation
out there. They're very complicated. But in
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general, what tenants in common are, is you
and a collection of other people get together
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through an organizer, a syndicator of a tenants
in common investment, and you go out and buy
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the Empire State Building. Something enormous,
like a big office, complex, a big shopping
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mall, something like that.
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And you, along with these other people have
undivided interest in that property. And so
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you get your own little deed that says you
own 0.3% of the King of Prussia mall, congratulations,
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or 0.2% of the Chrysler Building. Awesome,
here's your deed for the Chrysler, but for
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0.2% of the Chrysler Building and that's all
yours. And you can actually liquidate your
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1% ownership, that 2.2% ownership. It gets
squirrely. And a lot of people don't like
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them because there is a relation you have
to have the other people and it has to do
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with who's managing the property. And it's
very hard to change the direction of those
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kinds of properties, if you find they're not
being run very well, because you only have
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0.2%, but if you find one that's run really
well, you can do a 1031 exchange into a tenants
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in common investment.
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Okay? What you want to do is have that as
your backup plan. So, that is your safety
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net. You want to have like awesome multifamily
building that's going to produce of cash for
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yourself or the strip center or the smattering
of single family homes or whatever it is a
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that's your A, number one priority. And then
just have your backup plan here. Always have
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a safety net built into your 45 day identification.
Okay? That's what you want to do. Because
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a lot of people ask me, "What do you do if
your 1031 falls through?" The people that
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know that you can't go past this 180 days,
it gets a little scary to figure what kind
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of tax you might have to pay. Because some
of these folks are selling properties that
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they've owned for a very long time. And they
might be looking at a way larger gain than
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a $100,000. They could be looking at millions
of dollars to be paying on sales proceeds.
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Another thing people get themselves into outside
of tenants in common, are triple net properties.
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Triple net is like buying a Walgreens, buying
the building that a Walgreens is in or buying
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the land underneath a Kentucky Fried Chicken
or something like that. Something that's leased
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by an enormous company, that's never going
to go anywhere and you've got the corporate
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company on the lease. So you're good to go
forever. You could do a triple net, if you've
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got a large amount of money your going to
do a 1031 exchange into. But I would look
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for like a good premier asset as the number
one thing you want to get yourself into. And
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if that falls through, then maybe fall back
on a tenants in common or a triple net.
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So I hope I didn't glaze your eyes over or
make your head spin. I know it's a little
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longer video, but I hope it was a value. This
is 1031 exchange. This is a great way to leverage
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your sales on properties. We've done them
a few times and we've always been able to
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trade up into way larger assets when we do
them. So this is a great vehicle. I hope it
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made sense. I hope you guys, my awesome pictures
up here illustrated the whole thing for you.
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As always, as you guys know, I love comments
down below. So leave comments. Let's get some
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chatter going on, on these things and please
feel free to expand on some things that I
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said or even refute it, challenge it. I love
to be challenged. It's okay. We'll have a
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little conversation about those things. So
as always guys, I really appreciate you. Thank
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you for watching and have a great and profitable
week.
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